The backup qb issue

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, Ayjent said:

San Diego will likely draft a guy and keep Tyrod if they move on from Rivers. 

 

Carolina hasn't moved on from Cam...yet, but I don't see that as a spot for Dalton with a new staff coming in and likely looking to get their guy at the position. 

 

Washington is a possible spot for Dalton, but would you want to play for that franchise where Snyder hand-picked Haskins and Rivera was likely asked if he had a good plan for Haskins as part of the interview process. 

 

Tampa Bay ain't gonna happen - I think that they may look to keep Jameis with some competition for the spot (honestly this could be a landing spot for Newton if not Carolina, but Arians wants to throw deep and they most likely want someone who will protect the ball better than Winston - not exactly Dalton's strong suit when it matters most).

 

Rivers would be an interesting back up and likely a good mentor for Josh.  However, I think he's more likely to retire a Charger than finish his career somewhere else.  I think Dalton is a possibility, but not very likely.  Winston would be another interesting QB, but doesn't fit the Process IMO - his play on the field and his off the field reputation would seem to me that he wouldn't even be considered.  I think we could all get behind Fitz Bills version 2.0.  Ultimately, I think the Bills will draft a guy mid to late rounds to see if they can find a capable backup that is smart with natural ability and a high ceiling.  Someone like Jordan Love, Utah State wouldn't be a bad pick.

 

It's fine to want ot draft a replacement for Rivers, but is there someone out there good enough to be the starter this coming season?  Chargers were the pick of many this past year to be in the playoffs and maybe a deep run and wasn't 100% because of Rivers so there must still be a fair amount of talent there.  To go from there to one season later starting a rookie or TT, would be somewhat surprising so could see them either re-signing Rivers to maybe a 2 year deal or looking for a vet, but maybe in either case drafting a rookie but have someone this year more seasoned to start.

 

To me the difference between Rivers vs Winston and Daulton is Rivers has played long enough that he's not going to go some place that he's not pretty much guaranteed to start.  Likely Winston and Daulton would say the same, however the difference IMO is that River/Manning have played long enough to easily retire if not given that chance.  Where as Winston and Daulton will hold out for the starting gig, but when/if reality sets in that they aren't getting one, then could see them sign someplace where they know their spot is to be the backup.  But also agree that Winston's off field image isn't likely to ever get an offer from the Bills.

 

I'd be worried if the Bills backup is a rookie as Allen isn't far enough up the learning curve yet to be relying on a rookie as a sounding board.  Unless it's like a 6th rounder who you cut and move to the PS, but likely anything drafted much higher, may get snatched up if any potential.  In that case the rookie is the #3 QB, but still want/need a vet backup.

[dave mcbride]

@thebandit27, @C.Biscuit97, @BADOLBILZ, @eball -- reupping this after watching the Eagles game yesterday. That game was eminently winnable for the Eagles if they had any sort of dynamism at the backup qb position. I fully believe Foles would have won that game for them. Settling on a newly hired 40-year old high school football coach as your backup really bit the Eagles in the end. Point is, the Bills need to fully explore upgrading the position. 

[CBennett]

Simply put and I think we all now know this..they need a better backup.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

@thebandit27, @C.Biscuit97, @BADOLBILZ, @eball -- reupping this after watching the Eagles game yesterday. That game was eminently winnable for the Eagles if they had any sort of dynamism at the backup qb position. I fully believe Foles would have won that game for them. Settling on a newly hired 40-year old high school football coach as your backup really bit the Eagles in the end. Point is, the Bills need to fully explore upgrading the position. 

 

 

Yeah Barkley isn't a good backup QB option.   Maybe 10 years ago a guy that limited would be a decent backup but the overall depth at QB around the league is greater now.   You need and have access to better options.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah Barkley isn't a good backup QB option.   Maybe 10 years ago a guy that limited would be a decent backup but the overall depth at QB around the league is greater now.   You need and have access to better options.

I want my backup to have some mobility. Barkley has none.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I want my backup to have some mobility. Barkley has none.

And "make all the throws." Barkley can't. The double whammy of immobility and rag arm is a killer. He can make a play here and there because he is smart and usually accurate. But he is not a legit backup in this league IMO and never will be because of the physical limitations.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 12/30/2019 at 5:42 PM, whatdrought said:

Mariota is an intriguing one to me, but he’ll likely end up fighting for a job somewhere, or at least going somewhere with the door open.

 

I think his days as a starter ended when tannehill came out to the same offense and basically lit it up.  He'd be a good fit here, similar athleticism to allen.  He possesses a lot of the skill sets that tyrod had - Takes care of the ball, but also gets sacked a lot.  Pretty accurate on certain routes, but struggles throwing people open/jump balls.  Not particularly accurate on deep balls either.  

 

I know we extended barkley but even if we carried him all the way through camp the most he would cost is about 500k against the cap if they released him.  Its a position that needs upgrading.

 

I'd also want to take a look at Dalton (should he get cut).  

 

One of Dalton, Bridgewater, Mariota should end up with the chargers - but i wonder too if they move up to draft Tua.  Rivers Brady Brees is also a strange conundrum - but i see 2 out of 3 just going right back.  Rivers either retires or plays with the chargers imo. Colts situation is also interesting...

 

There won't be as many changes i think this year because guys like foles and flacco really can't be moved - and that kind of limits what those teams do at QB.