Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Bob in Mich said: Horseshit. Simple question. The reason no one answers I presume is the desire to not be on the record saying it was wrong or impeachable. If you won't say his actions, if proven, were wrong, there is no sense conversing with you. You've yet to even admit that Trump/Russia was a lie -- because you're waiting for the investigation to finish. You're just too stone to realize all three investigations finished and concluded you were wrong months ago. So... who is the one running from reality again? Riiiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, pop gun said: Obama did do that you fool! Trump asked the Ukrainian government to investigate his domestic political opponents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, dubs said: you’ve truly gone off the deep end. the difference between us is that if any of the politicians you mentioned were killed, I’d view it as a tragedy. If trump was killed, you’d celebrate. I really do feel sorry for you, you’re pathetic. Vindman isn't a politician. And if Trump were assassinated that would be a terrible tragedy. Putin has assassinated people in the UK already. He's hacked our voting systems, I'm sure he wouldn't think twice of murdering here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 *************************** Just now, jrober38 said: Trump asked the Ukrainian government to investigate his domestic political opponents? Do you know what the black ledger is? Didn't think so. You'd be a lot smarter if you did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Gary Busey said: he is the ambassador to the European Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Heck, they have unleashed the entire Tibs army here this morning. His head has to be spinning to run a few accounts simultaneously. Most of your posts are not even on topic. Just going after me and making up crap. #Trump-Supporters-Happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: *************************** Do you know what the black ledger is? Didn't think so. You'd be a lot smarter if you did. LOL You guys are hilarious. Rule of Law!!!!... unless our guy breaks the law because some random conspiracy theory says maybe the previous guy sort of possibly did a similar thing in the past. Sondland "can't remember" because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. All that matters today is that Sondland said it was a quid pro quo. Trump extorted a foreign government to benefit himself politically. Good luck coming back from that. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: LOL You guys are hilarious. Rule of Law!!!!... unless our guy breaks the law because some random conspiracy theory says maybe the previous guy sort of possibly did a similar thing in the past. Sondland "can't remember" because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. All that matters today is that Sondland said it was a quid pro quo. Trump extorted a foreign government to benefit himself politically. Good luck coming back from that. So... you don't know what the Black Ledger is. Thanks for making it easy to ignore you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Soundland is hedging throughout. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Gun Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: LOL You guys are hilarious. Rule of Law!!!!... unless our guy breaks the law because some random conspiracy theory says maybe the previous guy sort of possibly did a similar thing in the past. Sondland "can't remember" because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. All that matters today is that Sondland said it was a quid pro quo. Trump extorted a foreign government to benefit himself politically. Good luck coming back from that. Shem Horne@Shem_Infinite Sondland confirms President Trump told him when asked what he wanted that President Trump told him he wants nothing, no quid pro quo, just wants Zelensky to do the right thing. This is a disaster for Schiff 461 10:28 AM - Nov 20, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 246 people are talking about this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: Soundland is hedging throughout. He's a disaster for them now. Which makes it all the more hilarious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: Soundland is hedging throughout. Sondland looks like a guy who knows he's completely screwed. 3 minutes ago, pop gun said: Shem Horne@Shem_Infinite Sondland confirms President Trump told him when asked what he wanted that President Trump told him he wants nothing, no quid pro quo, just wants Zelensky to do the right thing. This is a disaster for Schiff 461 10:28 AM - Nov 20, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 246 people are talking about this Sondland has said numerous times in this hearing that it WAS a quid pro quo. He just said it again. No meeting without a public announcement that they would investigate Biden and Burisma. Goldman - "Was the aide part of the quid pro quo" Sondland - "YUP" Trump is so screwed. Edited November 20, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Yes, it is very telling why you do not feel the Democrats 2016 election interference with the Ukraine should not be investigated. Go look at the 2020 Democrats running thread. I called it the day Joey-B announced his plan to run it was so he could scream "political persecution". It wasn't hard to figure out if you have been following the source documents (and Joey-B's stupid interview where he admits to shaking down the Ukraine). There is a reason for this charade, and it is because the bad-orange-man is exposing, and taking away, their graft. It crosses both sides of the aisle (stinkin' John McCain was hip deep in it), and they are most unhappy that the money-spigot has been turned off. They will be even unhappier with arrests. Yep, fact is both sides, both democrats and republicans are guilty and that is why there is such a visceral hate for Trump even from many republicans. At least these srrogant entitled blowhards in the "deep state" are finally being exposed for what they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sondland looks like a guy who knows he's completely screwed. i don't know if 'd say that. the constant smirk and his fidgetyness is saying something though. he is definitely not wanting to commit to anything. if he is this much of a waffle under Dem questioning, the Repubs are going to tear him apart. additionally, .. this guy is an ambassador and his memory is this bad? not good. Edited November 20, 2019 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So... you don't know what the Black Ledger is. Thanks for making it easy to ignore you I do. It showed how Manafort was a Putin boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: i don't know if 'd say that. the constant smirk and his fidgetyness is saying something though. he is definitely not wanting to commit to anything. if he is this much of a waffle under Dem questioning, the Repubs are going to tear him apart. additionally, .. this guy is an ambassador and his memory is this bad? not good. His memory is "bad" because he's conveniently leaving out everything that no one else has testified happened. Anything anyone else can corroborate he's said is true, but anything where he has to fill in the blanks he conveniently "forgets". Gimme a break. These text messages are extremely damning. Every time they show another text Sondland conveniently remembers something new. 2 + 2 = 4 LMAO Edited November 20, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sondland looks like a guy who knows he's completely screwed. Sondland has said numerous times in this hearing that it WAS a quid pro quo. He just said it again. No meeting without a public announcement that they would investigate Biden and Burisma. assuming that is the case (which I’m not stipulating to)... ...what’s wrong with that? A sitting VP’s son who’s a crackhead with no experience lands a job on the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company making over a million a year. To make matters even worse, the VP is assigned to the Ukraine and publicly threatens to withhold loan guarantees unless the the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his sons company is fired. Are we not allowed to withhold our taxpayer dollars if it helps us root out corruption in our own country? Is that off limits? I’m asking a serious question. If you say no, then you are basically accepting that foreign countries are entitled to taxpayer funds with no conditions and that politicians are beyond suspicion and investigation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: LOL You guys are hilarious. Rule of Law!!!!... unless our guy breaks the law because some random conspiracy theory says maybe the previous guy sort of possibly did a similar thing in the past. Sondland "can't remember" because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. All that matters today is that Sondland said it was a quid pro quo. Trump extorted a foreign government to benefit himself politically. Good luck coming back from that. Your mistake here was assuming integrity. Here there is actually pride in Trump's lack of integrity. Somehow that makes Trump even tougher that he doesn't have to be worried about such things. His minions are no longer bothered by past positions either. Integrity shitegrity....means nothing When all the backpedaling stops, these Trump lawyers here will end up at, 'Trump's actions were wrong and criminal and might be impeachable in some future case, but not in this case. In this case, impeachment wouldn't be good for our country.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dubs said: assuming that is the case (which I’m not stipulating to)... ...what’s wrong with that? A sitting VP’s son who’s a crackhead with no experience lands a job on the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company making over a million a year. To make matters even worse, the VP is assigned to the Ukraine and publicly threatens to withhold loan guarantees unless the the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his sons company is fired. Are we not allowed to withhold our taxpayer dollars if it helps us root out corruption in our own country? Is that off limits? I’m asking a serious question. If you say no, then you are basically accepting that foreign countries are entitled to taxpayer funds with no conditions and that politicians are beyond suspicion and investigation. Every intelligence service the US has said that there was nothing behind the Biden thing. The guys yesterday literally said it was a conspiracy theory that couldn't be backed up by anything factual. No. You're not allowed to do that. It's against the law. It's literally a campaign finance violation, similar to the one Michael Cohen is now sitting in a jail cell for. The money was allocated to Ukraine so they could fight Russians, the country who the US considers an enemy. It wasn't allocated so that Donald Trump could investigate a political opponent at home. Sheeeesh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Well, Sondland spilled the beans, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Well, Sondland spilled the beans, lol Did you see Nunes and Jordan's face when they took a recess? HILARIOUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: His memory is "bad" because he's conveniently leaving out everything that no one else has testified happened. Anything anyone else can corroborate he's said is true, but anything where he has to fill in the blanks he conveniently "forgets". Gimme a break. how can his testimony be considered as anything other than unreliable at this point? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Every intelligence service the US has said that there was nothing behind the Biden thing. The guys yesterday literally said it was a conspiracy theory that couldn't be backed up by anything factual. No. You're not allowed to do that. It's against the law. It's literally a campaign finance violation, similar to the one Michael Cohen is now sitting in a jail cell for. The money was allocated to Ukraine so they could fight Russians, the country who the US considers an enemy. It wasn't allocated so that Donald Trump could investigate a political opponent at home. Sheeeesh. every intelligence agency. Hah!!!! Where have I heard that before. it’s literally not a campaign Finance violation. It has nothing to do with that. And nothing was withheld!! you guys are really grasping at straws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Your mistake here was assuming integrity. Here there is actually pride in Trump's lack of integrity. Coming from the guy who STILL thinks there's something to wait for on Trump/Russia, and has gotten EVERY SINGLE FACT WRONG on this subject for three years... I consider this an extremely RICH comment. Never change, Bob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Every intelligence service the US has said that there was nothing behind the Biden thing. The guys yesterday literally said it was a conspiracy theory that couldn't be backed up by anything factual. No. You're not allowed to do that. It's against the law. It's literally a campaign finance violation, similar to the one Michael Cohen is now sitting in a jail cell for. The money was allocated to Ukraine so they could fight Russians, the country who the US considers an enemy. It wasn't allocated so that Donald Trump could investigate a political opponent at home. Sheeeesh. You're either a simpleton or a partisan hack. Joe Biden is guilty of everything you accuse Trump of. Hell, he even admitted it on camera!! Once again, the left projects there crimes on someone else. Pretty pathetic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: how can his testimony be considered as anything other than unreliable at this point? What makes it unreliable? It might be inconvenient for Republicans but there's nothing that makes it unreliable. He's saying that everything everyone else has said actually happened, and he heard it from Trump himself. Edited November 20, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Every intelligence service the US has said that there was nothing behind the Biden thing. This is false. Link proof, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, westside2 said: You're either a simpleton or a partisan hack. Joe Biden is guilty of everything you accuse Trump of. Hell, he even admitted it on camera!! Once again, the left projects there crimes on someone else. Pretty pathetic. Wrong. Joe Biden said they pressured a foreign government to accomplish something in a foreign country. The US government likely does that in a variety of countries all over the world everyday. The issue is when you pressure someone to do something to attack a DOMESTIC political opponent. You can't do that. It's illegal. Trump is finished. Edited November 20, 2019 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 "THIS TIME THEY REALLY GOT HIM!" (Same refrain for three years... but they never learn. Because they're programmed NPCs, not big thinkers) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: This is false. Link proof, please. It comes straight from the testimony given by people over the past 3 days. They all said the Biden conspiracy was total garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: It comes straight from the testimony given by people over the past 3 days. They all said the Biden conspiracy was total garbage. That's not what you said. You said ALL 17 Intel agencies said it. That would mean they all investigated it and released reports. So clearly you have access to those reports. Please share them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Wrong. Joe Biden said they pressured a foreign government to accomplish something in a foreign country. The US government likely does that in a variety of countries all over the world everyday. The issue is when you pressure something to do something to attack a DOMESTIC political opponent. You can't do that. Trump is finished. Yeah, ok. They really got him now. Zero proof he wanted dirt on a political opponent. The Democrats in the 2016 election actually did exactly that. Yet you project. You're a hack. With serious TDS. Get help . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jrober38 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: That's not what you said. You said ALL 17 Intel agencies said it. That would mean they all investigated it and released reports. So clearly you have access to those reports. Please share them. Why would the people under oath lie about that? I'm sorry your whole world just came crashing down. Trump is going to be impeached. He broke laws, he extorted an ally at war with an enemy and he did it to benefit himself politically at home. Trump is absolutely finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Rudy should testify!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What makes it unreliable? It might be inconvenient for Republicans but there's nothing that makes it unreliable. He's saying that everything everyone else has said happened, actually happened, and he heard it from Trump himself. to me, when someone can't recall something, pretty much across the board, not even what he testified to mere weeks ago, says that he is being disingenuous, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It comes straight from the testimony given by people over the past 3 days. They all said the Biden conspiracy was total garbage. Fake news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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