Will offense operate better with Barkley next week?

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is his 5th year in the league, with less games than Allen.

 

You're right. 5.  Less games than Allen because he is the guy each team that hired him hoed would never have to play.

30 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't know.  I watched him a little when he played for Cincinatti and he was horrible.  He has played way better for us than he did with them.  And from the highlights of him dropping dimes on Sir Duke, I think he's improved. 

 

Again, not saying I want him to start,  but I don't buy that he can't improve on anything and is all he can ever be.

 

He didn't play for Cincy.  Duke is on the PS.  So we are now making conclusions based on how a backup QB looked in preseason with PS guys.

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Do people realize that Matt Barkley has had half the starts Josh Allen has had in the league?  He looked pretty good in his last one.  If he has to go this week, I think he will do well.

 

MB has only had one real stretch as a starter for 6 games with CHI to end the season in which they were in tank mode for Turbisky.

During that stretch (1-5) the Bears D gave up an average of 31.2 points per game in those 5 losses.

 

Truth is, no one knows that Barkley can do this Sunday with any certainty.  He does have a weaker NFL QB arm and can get into

turnover problems.  When he doesn't he is pretty good.  I don't want him to have to play Sunday but as of now I think he probably will.

 

Daboll will need to put together a good game plan for him to succeed.

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It's more about using your eyes and watching how he plays. It seems patently obvious to me that he gets through reads faster but suffers in the athleticism department. 

 

Your eyes must be better than mine to see all that in one Q of play this year.

 

But is also "the eyes" that supposedly saw that the Bills gave up too soon on JP, and ruined the development of EJ, etc...

18 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Do people realize that Matt Barkley has had half the starts Josh Allen has had in the league?  He looked pretty good in his last one.  If he has to go this week, I think he will do well.

 

Everybody realizes this.  And most realize why that is the case.

[GG]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You're right. 5.  Less games than Allen because he is the guy each team that hired him hoed would never have to play.

 

He didn't play for Cincy.  Duke is on the PS.  So we are now making conclusions based on how a backup QB looked in preseason with PS guys.

 

Barkley was once touted as a Top 10 pick, and got knocked down for his arm strength.  He was then tossed into bad situations.  But there's nothing in his career that suggests that he can't be a quality backup and put up points when needed.    Why is his his 4th round draft status used as a knock, when there are other guys drafted 4th and below who are doing well enough?

 

If we get a Derek Anderson in his prime, I'm perfectly fine with that as a back up.

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

How many did Allen cost us with his boneheaded plays?  In fact, Barkley could have led a drive for 3 points, but we needed a TD because Allen knocked us out of FG range two times.  Oh, we also lost by 6.  

 

Clearly Allen will be the better QB, but some fans on here think any critique of Allen is unwarranted, and that Barkely is terrible.  Both of which are untrue.  

did he?  I remember a Kicker missing a FG he should have made. Make that and you don’t have to go for 7 later you kick from the 3 and it is a Tie Ballgame. Even AFTER all the bone head plays. 
 

just stating facts though

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Your eyes must be better than mine to see all that in one Q of play this year.

 

But is also "the eyes" that supposedly saw that the Bills gave up too soon on JP, and ruined the development of EJ, etc...

Actually, I watched a bit of him in Chicago and Philly, and a lot of him at USC. He does some things well, and that's one of them. He has  clear physical limitations, though, which is why he dropped in the draft and why he's going to probably spend 12-15 years in the NFL as a backup. 

 

Not sure why you're so argumentative about this. His game is what it is, and it's pretty well known at this point. 

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

did he?  I remember a Kicker missing a FG he should have made. Make that and you don’t have to go for 7 later you kick from the 3 and it is a Tie Ballgame. Even AFTER all the bone head plays. 
 

just stating facts though

A 49 yard kick is never a gimme. It's 50-50 in the NFL. 

[reddogblitz]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You're right. 5.  Less games than Allen because he is the guy each team that hired him hoed would never have to play.

 

He didn't play for Cincy.  Duke is on the PS.  So we are now making conclusions based on how a backup QB looked in preseason with PS guys.

 

His picture on nfl.com shows him in a Cincinnati jersey.  Maybe I was thinking of when he played for Bears and threw 8 TDs and 14 Ints in 6 starts.

 

Yeah I know Sir Duke is on PS for now, but a dime is a dime and some of them have come against real Bills DBs.  Threw a couple yesterday.

 

And, I'm not even saying he should start, just arguing against the idea that he can't get any better and sucks.

Edited September 30, 2019 by reddogblitz

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Actually, I watched a bit of him in Chicago and Philly, and a lot of him at USC. He does some things well, and that's one of them. He has  clear physical limitations, though, which is why he dropped in the draft and why he's going to probably spend 12-15 years in the NFL as a backup. 

 

Not sure why you're so argumentative about this. His game is what it is, and it's pretty well known at this point. 

A 49 yard kick is never a gimme. It's 50-50 in the NFL. 

does he get paid to make that kick?  Yes he does. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Barkley was once touted as a Top 10 pick, and got knocked down for his arm strength.  He was then tossed into bad situations.  But there's nothing in his career that suggests that he can't be a quality backup and put up points when needed.    Why is his his 4th round draft status used as a knock, when there are other guys drafted 4th and below who are doing well enough?

 

If we get a Derek Anderson in his prime, I'm perfectly fine with that as a back up.

 

The Bears needed lots of points when Barkley had a 6 game stretch as a starter.  He tossed 8 TDs over that period.  And 14 INTs.  Fumbled 4 times.  He once beat the Jets.  Half of his TD passes as a Bill went to Dion Dawkins (1).

 

He doesn't put up points.  He's demonstrably worse at protecting the ball than Allen.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

does he get paid to make that kick?  Yes he does. 

No, not really. He gets paid to make 85 percent of his kicks, and there's an expectation that he's going to miss somewhere between 10 and 20 percent, particularly in Buffalo. Stick with your cliches, however. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

No, not really. He gets paid to make 85 percent of his kicks, and there's an expectation that he's going to miss somewhere between 10 and 20 percent, particularly in Buffalo. Stick with your cliches, however. 

 

Cool then he should have mad that kick because right now he is sitting at 66.7%  He makes that kick and he is 83.33%

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by MAJBobby

[dave mcbride]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Cool then he should have mad that kick because right now he is sitting at 66.7%  He makes that kick and he is 83.33%

 

you do realize he missed a 58 yarder in game 3, right? Also, if you miss your first kick in the first game of the season, you're at 0 percent, right? The presumption is that he'll regress to his mean over a 16-game season. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

you do realize he missed a 58 yarder in game 3, right? Also, if you miss your first kick in the first game of the season, you're at 0 percent, right? The presumption is that he'll regress to his mean over a 16-game season. 

Why not he has regressed since becoming a Bill

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Why not he has regressed since becoming a Bill

There is context to consider. He was clearly hurt after the dirty hit by Anderson in the second Jets game, and was never the same for the rest of the season.  He was 67 percent after that kick and his kickoffs weren't reaching the end zone. He's a good kicker and he'll be fine this season, I think.  He was 87 percent in his first season. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by dave mcbride

[MAJBobby]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

There is context to consider. He was clearly hurt after the dirty hit by Anderson in the second Jets game, and was never the same for the rest of the season.  He was 67 percent after that kick and his kickoffs weren't reaching the end zone. He's a good kicker and he'll be fine this season, I think.  He was 87 percent in his first season. 

 

So he Regressed (with context) thanks

 

Hmmm could Josh Allen have a bad game with context too or is that only reserved for those players we dont have an agenda with?

Edited September 30, 2019 by MAJBobby

[dave mcbride]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

So he Regressed thanks.

 

Hmmm could Josh Allen have a bad game with context too or is that only reserved for those players we dont have an agenda with?

??? I like Allen. He has issues that he has to clean up, however, and he had a very bad game yesterday. It happens. What the heck is your problem?

[GG]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bears needed lots of points when Barkley had a 6 game stretch as a starter.  He tossed 8 TDs over that period.  And 14 INTs.  Fumbled 4 times.  He once beat the Jets.  Half of his TD passes as a Bill went to Dion Dawkins (1).

 

He doesn't put up points.  He's demonstrably worse at protecting the ball than Allen.

 

You're comparing a Bears stint on a tanking team and you're blaming him for the Bears defense allowing points?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The best player on our offense is Singletary. Him being out yesterday made a huge difference. If we had him in the red zone yesterday, we probably score at least 1 more touchdown. He can make people miss in ways that you don’t see often. If he’s there in Tennessee, I think our offense will play well. Barkley is a guy that will get the ball on time to the playmakers. Singletary makes a massive difference in our offense Eventhough his touches have been limited. If he’s back, we are guna score points with Barkley. If he’s out, it’s guna be a long day for either QB.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

We'll find out this week probably.

 

Hope Barkley doesn't crap the bed.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

I just watched the game again and Barkley wasn’t any better than Allen. In a full quarter he got zero points. One drive was three and out with three straight bad passes to slightly open WR. He missed other open guys. He fumbled. He threw the INT. It’s possible the Brown pass to Yeldon is easier if the short toss back to Brown was accurate but he made Brown jump for it. His one good play was a spectacular catch by Brown.