aristocrat Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm not sure why people make excuses for Josh Allen. Allen's problem isn't accuracy, play calling, or players around him. He just processes the game a step behind where we need him to be. With experience hopefully he can process faster and faster. He is developing. He does some things at a top 10 level. He's already one of the best in the redzone, more so inside the 10. He's learned to limit turnovers. Big test this week vs NE. Allen doesn't make the omg who are you throwing to throws that makes me think he doesn't process the game slowly. His ints earlier this year were the forced throws into double coverage and since then are tipped balls of our own guys hands. He's off on throwing to guys, or the guys just drop the balls. Daboll also seems to be a problem imo along with not a lot of talent at the wr tight end position. Get him some weapons like a kelce or hopkins who catch everything it seems. Easier said than done but that's gonna go a long way for Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Biggest encouraging sign is that Allen thrives when the staff lets him play the game. It's when they try to protect him from being an NFL QB that he struggles. Let. Him. Play. With nothing really to lose, they really should just let him rip it the next 2 weeks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm not sure why people make excuses for Josh Allen. Allen's problem isn't accuracy, play calling, or players around him. He just processes the game a step behind where we need him to be. With experience hopefully he can process faster and faster. He is developing. He does some things at a top 10 level. He's already one of the best in the redzone, more so inside the 10. He's learned to limit turnovers. Big test this week vs NE. For sure. That's always been the case since pre draft, as anyone that really took the time to watch him knew. He's definitely processing faster than even earlier in the season, so that's very encouraging. I also think that taking the Mahomes/Goff/Trubiksy route of getting him a superior WR1 type that gains huge separation in a hurry (Hill/Cooks/Kupp/etc) will help him tremendously. I am a Mahomes guy through and through, but even I admit that having superior targets has been a huge component of his early success 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Well if our defense sucked Allen might have a whole bunch of 300 yard games as he threw against prevent defenses every week! I guess that would make some of you happy now wouldn't it? I don't care about raw yards. I care about averages and QB Rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don’t think there is any question that McD and Daboll hold Josh back from gaudier stats and think they can win most games scoring 17 points. There is a lot of evidence for it. Sure, his long ball has been atrocious and if he hit more he would have more yards and a few more TDs. But this is one of the most conservative philosophies (not play designs) in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) He's a top 3 QB in the 4th quarter statistically. I would say that's a BS padded number for a QB on a bad team making lots of yards and TDs against prevent D. But the Bills have had a single game loss of more than 1 TD so that's not Josh's situation and in fact, almost all of the games this season have been crazy tight so in the 4th Q, the pressure has been super high on him. So he's statistically crazy good in the 4th Q. You can call it clutch or whatever you want, but I also wonder if the game play opens up a little. It sure is encouraging. Edited December 17, 2019 by Sundancer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: With nothing really to lose, they really should just let him rip it the next 2 weeks. Absolutely. Let the kid play with fire and see how he does. That's not their thought model for this year though, so it would surprise me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Absolutely. Let the kid play with fire and see how he does. That's not their thought model for this year though, so it would surprise me Hard to imagine it'd go worse than the last pats game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I don't care about raw yards. I care about averages and QB Rating. I care about TDs and wins. Seems more important. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Again, he's been able to do these things because our defense allows 14 points a game. What would he look like if he played on a team that allowed 24 points per game? Our offense already struggles to score points. Well, I am on the Bandit, Cincy side of the argument. I think Allen is held back by a combination of lack of playmakers (which is not to dismiss Brown and Beasely, they raise the talent to competent) and also a conservative tendency that is the opposite of fearless. Given the strength of the defense and where Allen is at in the learning curve, that may make tactical sense, but I still believe they should unleash Allen and let him play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I don't care about raw yards. I care about averages and QB Rating. Call me crazy: I care about wins. 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Again, he's been able to do these things because our defense allows 15.9 points a game. What would he look like if he played on a team that allowed 24 points per game? He would be passing more and they would be running a different offense. That's what would be happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Penfield45 said: I still think Allen's completion % is hugely due to our lack of talent on offense and the scheme Daboll looks clueless almost every week calling plays, and we have one of the worst WR's groups in the NFL. hard to judge a QB with this kind of supporting cast. Allen has the tools he just needs some help now from his GM to get him weapons. Allens completion % would probably be 4-5% better right now if the Bills could ever figure out how to run a screen play! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Hard to imagine it'd go worse than the last pats game Indeed...but I believe that as long as they have a shot at the division, they'll stay with their "winning formula" of keep it close and unshackle Josh when they need a score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Hard to imagine it'd go worse than the last pats game For sure. The Pats are a tough test for a young QB. Not only will they gameplan well, they will adjust well. And we know John Brown will be neutralized. It will be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 russell wilson early in his career was the comeback kid with that defense and him scoring late. they had a much better run game to go with it. they developed him. let's hope allen continues on this path 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, dakrider said: Allens completion % would probably be 4-5% better right now if the Bills could ever figure out how to run a screen play! 2 things I believe Allen struggles at are selling screen and playaction. I think he's the main reason we do neither one very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed...but I believe that as long as they have a shot at the division, they'll stay with their "winning formula" of keep it close and unshackle Josh when they need a score. I'm just spitballing here, but part of me wondered if the last matchup had to do with NE knowing Daboll's tendencies. Letting Josh direct the O in real time could remove that advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I care about TDs and wins. Seems more important. So do I. As I said yesterday though, only someone who completely lacks objectivity would think the defense hasn't overwhelmingly been responsible for our wins. Our offense and passing game by any metric you can look at is bottom 10 in the NFL. Our defense on the other hand is truly exceptional. Them allowing under 16 points per game is the overwhelming reason we're 10-4 right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: 2 things I believe Allen struggles at are selling screen and playaction. I think he's the main reason we do neither one very well. In the Ravens game there was a screen that Singletary advertised the whole way which didn't go anywhere. This is something these young uns will need to learn and develop better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Well, I am on the Bandit, Cincy side of the argument. I think Allen is held back by a combination of lack of playmakers (which is not to dismiss Brown and Beasely, they raise the talent to competent) and also a conservative tendency that is the opposite of fearless. Given the strength of the defense and where Allen is at in the learning curve, that may make tactical sense, but I still believe they should unleash Allen and let him play. I agree. The next two weeks we have nothing to lose. Turn him loose and see if he can handle a more wide open playing style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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