Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/16/matthew-stafford-moves-into-top-10-in-career-4th-quarter-comeback-wins/amp/ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/16/matthew-stafford-moves-into-top-10-in-career-4th-quarter-comeback-wins/amp/ ? Almost every QB listed is a Hall of Famer or going to be in the HOF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Pad Stafford 28 comebacks in 147 starts. 19% peyton Manning 43 comebacks in 265 starts. 16% its almost like one of the all time great qbs had less chances for comeback because he is awesome and doesn’t need to comeback. I’d also love to see a breakdown of comebacks where the defense gave up 21 or more points. Because the Colts had seem terrible defenses. Not all comebacks are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Omg. You’re such a soccer mom. Someone said something not amazing about my baby! Let me get the other soccer moms to yell at them! We’re 5-1. Things are good. But sorry for not throwing a party because we have pathetically low standards for good qb play. Allen “led” a comeback against the Titans and we scored 2 tds!!! He led a comeback against one of the worst teams in modern history! We came back against the 0-7 Bengals! Look, he’s improved in some things but this defense carries this team. If we had a more consistent offense, we could do some real damage in this crappy AFC. Our qb expectations are so pathetically low. oh the sensitivity comeback! we know. allen needs to continue to improve. no one needs for a party to be thrown, but it would be nice if you stopped saying such stupid ***** all the time. we get the act. someone says something positive about the bills, you tell them why they're wrong. someone says something negative about a player from another team, and you throw a bill under the bus to prove a point that doesn't need to be disputed. you've jumped the shark bro! 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Pad Stafford 28 comebacks in 147 starts. 19% peyton Manning 43 comebacks in 265 starts. 16% its almost like one of the all time great qbs had less chances for comeback because he is awesome and doesn’t need to comeback. I’d also love to see a breakdown of comebacks where the defense gave up 21 or more points. Because the Colts had seem terrible defenses. Not all comebacks are the same. not all comebacks are the same. well done. Edited October 22, 2019 by teef 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Almost every QB listed is a Hall of Famer or going to be in the HOF. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm 7 comebacks in 2 years!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Pad Stafford 28 comebacks in 147 starts. 19% peyton Manning 43 comebacks in 265 starts. 16% its almost like one of the all time great qbs had less chances for comeback because he is awesome and doesn’t need to comeback. I’d also love to see a breakdown of comebacks where the defense gave up 21 or more points. Because the Colts had seem terrible defenses. Not all comebacks are the same. Or not, could be a myriad of reasons for that. For instance like he got older and could complete as many comebacks as when he was younger. Or due to the infrequency of comebacks, stretched out over a longer period of time the number will drop. However, that is a totally different argument than the stat is overrated. Looks to me like it is a pretty good indicator of good qb play based on the top list Edited October 22, 2019 by Bray Wyatt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Almost every QB listed is a Hall of Famer or going to be in the HOF. isn't it great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, teef said: isn't it great? Watch out now, the goal posts are moving and we will have a bunch of straw men incoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: Watch out now, the goal posts are moving and we will have a bunch of straw men incoming it's his thing. maybe it's better to let him have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: isn't it great? No! It's not great! You see, that list is taken out of context. The great ones are always ahead so that stat means nothing. And uhh, Raise your standards man, who cares that we are winning?? Ok, winning doesn't matter when you look at a Quarterback. What matters is that he hasn't put up 300 yard passing days and that he didn't score more for the team against the Bengals, Giants and Dolphins. Ok???!!??? And uhhh, stop being so sensitive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm 7 comebacks in 2 years!!! Talk about grasping at straws. Ignore all the Hall of Famers and cherry pick 2 that fit your stance. Are you honestly thinking that trumps all the others? It’s overwhelmingly against your point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: it's his thing. maybe it's better to let him have it? I think so, I mean he is bringing up Mark Sanchez now like that proves something. Im not going to bang my head against the wall anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: Or not, could be a myriad of reasons for that. For instance like he got older and could complete as many comebacks as when he was younger. Or due to the infrequency of comebacks, stretched out over a longer period of time the number will drop. However, that is a totally different argument that the stat is overrated. Looks to me like it is a pretty good indicator of good qb play based on the top list We could dig way more in this stat. The more your team isn’t good, the more chances you have for a comeback. The better your defense is, the more chances you have for a comeback. To say Allen’s comeback against the Titans where we scored 7 points until the 4th quarter is the same as the Reich one is crazy. With this defense, more consistent offense would led to less opportunities for comebacks. Now what a smart offensive coach might say is that Allen seems to be better in a hurry up, less structured offense and to try it early in the games when the offense goes in a rut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, teef said: isn't it great? I really can’t believe he’s still arguing his point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, teef said: it's his thing. maybe it's better to let him have it? Soccer moms! Get him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: I really can’t believe he’s still arguing his point. i sure can. Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Soccer moms! Get him! it's easiest to go this route for you...isn't it? have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: We could dig way more in this stat. The more your team isn’t good, the more chances you have for a comeback. The better your defense is, the more chances you have for a comeback. To say Allen’s comeback against the Titans where we scored 7 points until the 4th quarter is the same as the Reich one is crazy. With this defense, more consistent offense would led to less opportunities for comebacks. Now what a smart offensive coach might say is that Allen seems to be better in a hurry up, less structured offense and to try it early in the games when the offense goes in a rut. Are all comebacks built equal? No but I dont think anyone is arguing that. The point is that is not the only type of comeback, and the ones that have a lot of them can do them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: I think so, I mean he is bringing up Mark Sanchez now like that proves something. Im not going to bang my head against the wall anymore Or that crappy Mark Sanchez got a bunch of comebacks when he played with a dominant defense because his offense sucked most of the game. But pretend not to understand. And for the record, I’d like to believe Allen is better than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Or that crappy Mark Sanchez got a bunch of comebacks when he played with a dominant defense because his offense sucked most of the game. But pretend not to understand. And for the record, I’d like to believe Allen is better than Sanchez. I am not pretending anything, that wasnt the original point you raised, you stated that comeback stat is overrated. I think that statement is demonstrably false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Or that crappy Mark Sanchez got a bunch of comebacks when he played with a dominant defense because his offense sucked most of the game. But pretend not to understand. And for the record, I’d like to believe Allen is better than Sanchez. Geezus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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