snafu Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, John Adams said: Look who's interpreting. I stated a fact. You misstated a fact. Re-read Trump's statement about that. Look who's interpreting. I stated a fact. You misstated a fact. Re-read the phone call transcript about that. You're about as good at reading the transcript as Deranged Rhino who said Zelensky brought up the aid first. The first person to mention Biden is Trump, and he introduces it out of the blue: "The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me." You misstated a fact. Zelensky brought up Giuliani first (not Biden, I was mistaken about that). In any event, Giuliani = Biden investigation, Barr = 2016 investigation origins, which Crowdstrike DNC server is part of. Trump only asked about Crowdstrike. And then Zelensky raised Giuliani. Re-read the phone call about that. Don't put the two things together. The two investigations being separate from each other matters a good deal. Said another way, you're wrong. And an idiot. But DR liked your post! Insert sad face emoji here. Actually, no. I'm not sad or wrong. Lots of interpretation again here. "Zelensky said he didn't feel coerced" is one of my favorites in the line of defenders. It's shocking that the guy who wants several hundred million in US aid didn't throw Trump under the bus, isn't it? You don't want to use Zelensky's own statement about this? He was actually part of the phone conversation. Your interpretation, or dismissal of his statement, is more trustworthy? Conspiracy? I just keep pointing to the transcript. You can't even read that correctly. Your theory (made up conjecture) is as much a conspiracy theory as anything else you whine about. Quote Do NOT defend me. I'd rather you throw me a cinder block while drowning. He's not you? Which other accounts are you so I can make sure I know who I'm responding to. See above^^^ it was easier to respond this way... Edited October 3, 2019 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Adams said: Your cheeleaders are coming. Foxx can do it, he's our man, if he can't do it, Hedge sure can! so...... is this more ammunition for impeachment? https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1179770264982302720 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: i understand that you're trying an old play from the book by repeating a lie often enough that you hope it will become the truth but honestly, i don't see it happening. texts reveal ‘quid pro quo’ dispute ... "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign," Taylor said in a text exchange. Sondland responded by saying that was not what was happening. "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign." ... one is a newly hired temp (Taylor) who has absolutely no context other than perhaps his political bias. the other is a seasoned vet (Sondland) who has been around long enough to know what is what with regard here. it is quite evident that you belong in the former category. you might want to sit this one out as you are going to find that, much like your other ill-fated opines, you are going to be on the wrong end of it all. who knows more, the seasoned ambassador who has been at this for awhile, or you, the wannabe keyboard warrior? https://twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1179848498214129664 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, John Adams said: Do NOT defend me. I'd rather you throw me a cinder block while drowning. You two are already blood brothers and you know that when either one of you get something in your mind it sticks forever. I guess it's a till death do us part thing. Will you be taking his last name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: so...... is this more ammunition for impeachment? https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1179770264982302720 He doesn't seem to care about election laws and sounds like a 3rd world despot. Yay 'merica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I will ask a serious question thru all this back and forth banter............... When is enough going to be enough for Trump haters? You tried bringing this man down from the ? grabbing tape to this Ukraine thing and none of it is going to work. All you are doing is making Trump and those folks you support him stronger and basically guarantees his Presidency till the beginning of 2025. When’s it end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, John Adams said: He doesn't seem to care about election laws and sounds like a 3rd world despot. Yay 'merica. so... no. he is doing his job, you dolt. he is wanting to find out about potential past criminal acts. he is not asking them to look into anything Biden is currently doing that is untoward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: I will ask a serious question thru all this back and forth banter............... When is enough going to be enough for Trump haters? You tried bringing this man down from the ? grabbing tape to this Ukraine thing and none of it is going to work. All you are doing is making Trump and those folks you support him stronger and basically guarantees his Presidency till the beginning of 2025. When’s it end? There's zero chance of it ending. See tibs tenacity. The more the hatred grows the less they even remember where or why it started. Democrats are looking Jonestown level crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Albwan said: There's zero chance of it ending. See tibs tenacity. The more the hatred grows the less they even remember where or why it started. Democrats are looking Jonestown level crazy. It’s beyond crazy. It really is. Do these people realize that you have to go to work every day................. no matter who the POTUS is? It’s the same for me under Trump It was the same for me under Obama It was the same for me under Bush Jr It was the same for me under Clinton And it was the same for me under Bush Sr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Foxx said: so... no. he is doing his job, you dolt. he is wanting to find out about potential past criminal acts. he is not asking them to look into anything Biden is currently doing that is untoward. Our sitting president is publicly asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on his political rival. Sure, that's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, John Adams said: Our sitting president is publicly asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on his political rival. Sure, that's great. That's not at all what he's asking. He's asking for investigation into corruption of a former VP (which is connected to a slew of other ongoing investigations which pre-date Joe getting into the race). He's literally baiting the media (and you) into protesting what was actually done to Trump in 2016 right before the report on said abuse comes out. You're walking into it with both eyes open because you continue to trust the word of proven liars and deceivers. The only way your position holds any merit is if you believe the act of running for office makes one immune from investigation into previous corruption. And I know you do not believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, John Adams said: Our sitting president is publicly asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on his political rival. Sure, that's great. i'll grant that it may not be ideal but... at some point the graft has to be cleared out. i understand that you believe Trump insults your senses and that that is a main reason for the position that is ubiquitous to all of your posts with regard. however, what insults my senses is the rampant corruption that appears to permeate every single square inch of DC. Trump is not doing this to benefit himself, he doesn't need it in any way, shape or form. every once in awhile the right man comes along at the right time. who knew that one single man could set the world atilt. let the man drain the swamp. Edited October 3, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: i'll grant that it may not be ideal but... at some point the graft has to be cleared out. i understand that you believe Trump insults your senses and that that is a main reason for the position that is ubiquitous to all of your posts with regard. however, what insults my senses is the rampant corruption that appears to permeate every single square inch of DC. Trump is not doing this to benefit himself, he doesn't need it in any way, shape or form. every once in awhile the right man comes along at the right time. who knew that one single man could set the world atilt. let the man drain the swamp. Did you play O Fortuna as you wrote this? 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not at all what he's asking. He's asking for investigation into corruption of a former VP (which is connected to a slew of other ongoing investigations which pre-date Joe getting into the race). He's literally baiting the media (and you) into protesting what was actually done to Trump in 2016 right before the report on said abuse comes out. You're walking into it with both eyes open because you continue to trust the word of proven liars and deceivers. The only way your position holds any merit is if you believe the act of running for office makes one immune from investigation into previous corruption. And I know you do not believe that. Unlike you, I can see the pox on more than one house. And it's not part of some stupid storyline. Edited October 3, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, John Adams said: And it's not part of some stupid storyline. It's not a storyline. It's reality. This is all about 2016, not 2020. The spin/lie is that it's about 2020. It's not in any way other than the fact Joe is running for a nomination he has zero shot to get (and never did because this scandal predates his entrance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Adams said: Did you play O Fortuna as you wrote this? Unlike you, I can see the pox on more than one house. And it's not part of some stupid storyline. IF TRUMP WAS OUT TO DO SOMETHING NEFARIOUS HE WOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL BIDEN SECURED THE NOMINATION AND THEN MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THE BIG DEAL OF BIDEN COLLUDING WITH HIS SON AND UKRAINE/CHINA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, John Adams said: Our sitting president is publicly asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on his political rival. Sure, that's great. So this is your declaration that candidacy for high office is a de facto insulation against being investigated for crimes? Or is it that this is only the case when a Republican holds office? Or only when Trump holds office? Do President’s have the authority to set and conduct foreign policy? Do they have the authority to pressure the governments of other nations to aid in the investigation of criminal matters which bleed across borders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: So this is your declaration that candidacy for high office is a de facto insulation against being investigated for crimes? And if this insulates Biden from investigation, shouldn't the same rule apply for Trump? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, John Adams said: "Investigate Joe Biden" the only bad guy I'll name by name and my lead political rival. Whether this violates the election laws is unlikely, but that's the ONLY avenue anyone can go down towards impeachment and it's not good enough to get there right now. Dems are shooting themselves in the foot and now hoping against hope something else comes out. Most of what you call "the media" is headlong into impeachment and tons of side nonsense. Most of "your media" is similarly engaged. I am looking at a very small handful of facts that show poor judgment and probably nothing impeachable. It's Trump dancing right up to the line. That's it? Name-dropping? Name-dropping a former VP against whom can be made credible accusations of conflicts of interest? That's the evidentiary standard? This whole thing is woefully ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, John Adams said: Our sitting president is publicly asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on his political rival. Sure, that's great. I'm willing to concede that Trump is doing this in part to damage an opposing candidate. Unfortunately for Joe he's friggin on tape describing how he strong-armed Ukraine into firing Shokin who was making life miserable for a company friendly to his son. Unfortunately for Joe, Hunter's appointment to the board of the gas company with sizable compensation makes zero legitimate business sense. Unfortunately for Joe and his party there are other pre-existing (his candidacy) suspicions with evidence that are being reviewed. Joe's like Manafort in that inquiries into other possible crimes or election meddling have led investigators to Joe on other somewhat unrelated matters. Unfortunately for Joe, Rudy was investigating the Ukraine corruption while Joe and the Dems and media weren't looking. Joe really ***** up by not having someone else in the Obama admin apply pressure for the Shokin firing. Unfortunately for Joe, Shokin has given testimony as to the reasons he was fired. Joe has left a very legitimate door to him being investigated open for Trump and the DOJ and the Ukraine government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: So this is your declaration that candidacy for high office is a de facto insulation against being investigated for crimes? Yeah, that's what I said Simple Simon. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Or is it that this is only the case when a Republican holds office? See above. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Or only when Trump holds office? See above. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Do President’s have the authority to set and conduct foreign policy? Not relevant to election laws dingus. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Do they have the authority to pressure the governments of other nations to aid in the investigation of criminal matters which bleed across borders? See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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