daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Are you always this dense? I’m blaming politicians who have become more and more concerned about themselves and lining their own pockets than they are about the people they serve. This was never the intention of the Founders. I don't think there's a big difference between the guy offering the bribe and the guy accepting it, but I think we're pretty much on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: I don't think there's a big difference between the guy offering the bribe and the guy accepting it, but I think we're pretty much on the same page. We are with the exception is if the person being offered the bribe had any scruples they’d say no hence putting the briber (drug dealer) out of business. The term Statesman has been removed from the English lexicon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: We are with the exception is if the person being offered the bribe had any scruples they’d say no hence putting the briber (drug dealer) out of business. The term Statesman has been removed from the English lexicon. It's the same thing. If the guy who offered the bribe had any scruples, then he wouldn't have offered, putting the drug addict out of business. It's just a matter of perspective. But yes, I guess we hold a statesmen to a higher standard Edited May 10, 2020 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, daz28 said: You're being obtuse if you don't think that while running a country or a business that situations don't arise. What was you're business Covid plan on Jan 1st? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You might wanna pick that flag up ref. You say: "I'll tell you what, if you own a business with someone else you should have figured out all the basic goals & methods before going into business with them" replied: "You're being obtuse if you don't think that while running a country or a business that situations don't arise. What was you're business Covid plan on Jan 1st? " Do you STILL believe that you don't ever have to compromise?? After further review...… play IS REVERSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: We are with the exception is if the person being offered the bribe had any scruples they’d say no hence putting the briber (drug dealer) out of business. The term Statesman has been removed from the English lexicon. A LOOOOONNNNG time ago Berke Breathed had one of the characters explain to Opus that he was a politician, not a statesman because a statesman is a dead politician. The punchline was 'we need more statesmen.' Not too far from the truth. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 hours ago, daz28 said: Ok you're right. Congress is a mess, and always has been only because of the Democrats(who used to the Republicans). If only the Democrats got Covid, and all died, then Congress would be a finely tuned machine that met the needs of all the people all the time, because the Republicans would instantly remove all money involved in politics, which in turn would leave only the needs of the average American citizen at heart. Gotcha. To think I was really always this naïve. I feel ashamed. This is one of the most pathetic attempts at moving the goal posts while attempting to tear down a straw man I've seen in some time. You've completely abandoned your position and are now sarcastically mocking an argument that no one made. You really should feel ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob's House said: This is one of the most pathetic attempts at moving the goal posts while attempting to tear down a straw man I've seen in some time. You've completely abandoned your position and are now sarcastically mocking an argument that no one made. You really should feel ashamed. You're the one that insisted this be a partisan issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 48 minutes ago, daz28 said: You're the one that insisted this be a partisan issue. From the first of your posts that I quoted: "... so don't forget that the if the progressives do take power, you'll know exactly how the other half felt when they were left out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, daz28 said: The average approval rating for Congress has been 17% for over 10 years, so I think it might be easier for you to tell me what needs actually HAVE been met. If you want to know how they could have met the needs of the people during impeachment, maybe we'd have been happier to have gotten all the information, and then decided for ourselves what was true?? All witnesses, no closed door meetings. Instead we got a circus. Why do you believe that the government is legitimate, or that it represents or serves the people? Only approximately 50% of the eligible voting population casts a ballot, and the eligible population is only roughly 50%, at most, of the total population. This means that one quarter of the population is voting, with the vote being split roughly equally between the two major parties. The results of this are that approximately 1/8 of the population presumes to dictate to 7/8 of the population. Democracy is nothing more than a clever ploy by the power elite to compel their chattel to craft their own shackles, and to cheer while doing so. Edited May 10, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hardhatharry Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Are you always this dense? I’m blaming politicians who have become more and more concerned about themselves and lining their own pockets than they are about the people they serve. This was never the intention of the Founders. It's been like that since the "Founders"... Every politician only serves themselves and what can get them votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 There certainly isn't a Democrat on Mount Rushmore. That's all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: It's been like that since the "Founders"... Every politician only serves themselves and what can get them votes. No it has not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No it has not. In fact, it has. It‘s the reason the Articles were undone, and the Constitutional government put in place. The Founders were the wealthiest land owners in the colonies, and they took on large amounts of personal debt to wage the Revolution. When the Articles proved insufficient to successfully cast their own personal debt onto a public who did not wish to assume it, they tore down the Articles and assigned themselves the direct power to force the debt onto the public. Edited May 11, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: In fact, it has. It‘s the reason the Articles were undone, and the Constitutional government put in place. The Founders were the wealthiest land owners in the colonies, and they took on large amounts of personal debt to wage the Revolution. When the Articles proved insufficient to successfully cast their own personal debt onto a public who did not wish to assume it, they tore down the Articles and assigned themselves the direct power to force the debt onto the public. This in now ways means that they served for their benefit and their benefit only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: This in now ways means that they served for their benefit and their benefit only. The Revolution has somewhere around 30-35% popular support. The Founders served to benefit the most first from waging the war, which granted to themselves the powers formerly vested with the British Crown. By waging the war they afforded themselves immense power. They then tore down a government which served the people and the States in order to implement one which primarily served themselves to the detriment of the people. Charles Beard has done some excellent work on the subject. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Economic_Interpretation_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The Revolution has somewhere around 30-35% popular support. The Founders served to benefit the most first from waging the war, which granted to themselves the powers formerly vested with the British Crown. By waging the war they afforded themselves immense power. They then tore down a government which served the people and the States in order to implement one which primarily served themselves to the detriment of the people. Charles Beard has done some excellent work on the subject. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Economic_Interpretation_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States I'm sure paying the continental army had something to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm sure paying the continental army had something to do with that. A personal debt assumed by Washington, who was the wealthiest land owner in the colonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The Revolution has somewhere around 30-35% popular support. The Founders served to benefit the most first from waging the war, which granted to themselves the powers formerly vested with the British Crown. By waging the war they afforded themselves immense power. They then tore down a government which served the people and the States in order to implement one which primarily served themselves to the detriment of the people. Charles Beard has done some excellent work on the subject. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Economic_Interpretation_of_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States You realize what you're quoting is an early re-interpretation of history by progressive theory don't you? Damn the rich and all the raysis founders sort of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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