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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27380099/roc-nation-lead-nfl-entertainment-endeavors

 

As part of the long-term partnership, Roc Nation will advise on the selection of artists for NFL tentpole events, including the Super Bowl, as well as play a key role in the production and promotion of new music. The NFL's union with Roc Nation kicks off as the league celebrates its 100th season and serves as a commitment from both parties to amplify the league's Inspire Change initiative.

 

Is this a smart move by the NFL?

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Not really. Sports used to be a place where everyone came together in fandom regardless of race, gender, or economical background. Every person rooting for their favorite team, together. Now, despite how you they try to spin this "unity" stuff they talk, everything is an avenue for a rift or pushing agendas. This will be no different and the music aspect will now be more one-sided if you want to look at it that way as well. Pushing politics, agendas, and whatever else they try down people's throats because one side feels their stance is the only correct one will just create more issues.

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11 minutes ago, H2o said:

Not really. Sports used to be a place where everyone came together in fandom regardless of race, gender, or economical background. Every person rooting for their favorite team, together. Now, despite how you they try to spin this "unity" stuff they talk, everything is an avenue for a rift or pushing agendas. This will be no different and the music aspect will now be more one-sided if you want to look at it that way as well. Pushing politics, agendas, and whatever else they try down people's throats because one side feels their stance is the only correct one will just create more issues.

I actually think this was the NFL's way of giving the impression that they are taking a stance without actually taking one. They can either take credit or pass the buck to Roc Nation when they get pushback on certain things.

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Agree with H2o.  Sports and Entertainment used to be a way to escape from political issues.  

Now athletes and celebrities are drawing a dividing line, and forcing the fans to pick which side they are going to support.

 

Most people would have been OK with Colin Kaepernick if he kept his activism off the football field.  And truth be told, he would probably still have a backup QB job somewhere.  But he (and many other players) screwed up when they decided to use the NFL as a platform for their ideas.  

 

The term "Social Justice" sounds nice and like something everyone should be able to get behind.  But in reality, it's a partisan/agenda-driven set of ideals.  

If the NFL starts publicly supporting many of these initiatives, it's going to spark a lot of controversy and backlash.  

 

 

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This is an example of tokenism. Got a problem with players upsetting the customers by taking a knee? No problem, hire JayZ and his crew. It’s so typically corporate, like the “official car” or the official “candy bar” of the NFL, but worst of all, it’s disrespectful to those players and demeaning to their cause.

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Just now, Sargent Hulka said:

This is an example of tokenism. Got a problem with players upsetting the customers by taking a knee? No problem, hire JayZ and his crew. It’s so typically corporate, like the “official car” or the official “candy bar” of the NFL, but worst of all, it’s disrespectful to those players and demeaning to their cause.

 

Which really shows Jay-Z to be a bit of a sellout. 

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Remember that time Jay-Z's wife used the Superbowl halftime platform to pay homage to a radical terrorist organization? 

 

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This is just ridiculous pandering by the NFL to demonstrate their wokeness. 

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5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Which really shows Jay-Z to be a bit of a sellout. 

Yup.  Then again, you don't become a billionaire by 'keeping it real.' 

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1 hour ago, H2o said:

Not really. Sports used to be a place where everyone came together in fandom regardless of race, gender, or economical background. Every person rooting for their favorite team, together. Now, despite how you they try to spin this "unity" stuff they talk, everything is an avenue for a rift or pushing agendas. This will be no different and the music aspect will now be more one-sided if you want to look at it that way as well. Pushing politics, agendas, and whatever else they try down people's throats because one side feels their stance is the only correct one will just create more issues.

We already have issues there won't be more.  The same ones we've had will just be made more stark.  And in terms of sports, see Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, John Carlos, Tommie Smith.  Athletes protesting is nothing new, just like simple minded white supremacists acting a fool isn't new.   

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1 minute ago, purple haze said:

We already have issues there won't be more.  The same ones we've had will just be made more stark.  And in terms of sports, see Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, John Carlos, Tommie Smith.  Athletes protesting is nothing new, just like simple minded white supremacists acting a fool isn't new.   

 

Nothing wrong with players having causes and using their proper platforms for to change things they feel are important. That being said, there's a way to do it, and there's a way to not. A lot of what we see lately is empty posturing. You mentioned Jim Brown- his take on the kneeling situation (not to bring all that into this thread) is really illuminating-- Believe what you believe and strive for change, just do it the right ways. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/08/25/jim-brown-colin-kaepernick-i-dont-desecrate-my-flag-and-my-national-anthem/602349001/

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Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Nothing wrong with players having causes and using their proper platforms for to change things they feel are important. That being said, there's a way to do it, and there's a way to not. A lot of what we see lately is empty posturing. You mentioned Jim Brown- his take on the kneeling situation (not to bring all that into this thread) is really illuminating-- Believe what you believe and strive for change, just do it the right ways. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/08/25/jim-brown-colin-kaepernick-i-dont-desecrate-my-flag-and-my-national-anthem/602349001/

You mean Jim Brown the women beater?  It’s hilarious what people just get on their morale high horse about.  

 

FTR, I wouldn’t have kneeled.  I also won’t be more upset about silent protest more than I care the NFL employing scumbags like RI, Mixon, and Tyreek Hill.  So many fake patriots who got more upset about a guy kneeling than a guy getting drafted in the 2nd round after punching a woman. Hypocrisy. 

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9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Nothing wrong with players having causes and using their proper platforms for to change things they feel are important. That being said, there's a way to do it, and there's a way to not. A lot of what we see lately is empty posturing. You mentioned Jim Brown- his take on the kneeling situation (not to bring all that into this thread) is really illuminating-- Believe what you believe and strive for change, just do it the right ways. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/08/25/jim-brown-colin-kaepernick-i-dont-desecrate-my-flag-and-my-national-anthem/602349001/

That is Jim Brown's opinion.  I respect his opinion.  But like so many others who fell into that particular line of thinking, the protest was  against issues happening that did not reflect the ideals the flag is supposed to represent.  And "the way to protest" will always truly mean "don't protest."   Because no matter  how one chooses to do so, there will always be someone who says, "Not that way."    How about things that are protested being addressed in some meaningful way so there is no need for people to do it?

 

There was no violence in the protest.  No words spoken during the protest.  No flag burned during the protest.  The man took a knee.  Half the stadium is in the beer line during the anthem.   Folks just didn't want to deal with the what was being protested.

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11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup, this thread went exactly the way I thought it would haha.  

This thread won't go where I thought it would until you let us know how much we'd all love the move if Josh Allen did it.

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12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You mean Jim Brown the women beater?  It’s hilarious what people just get on their morale high horse about.  

 

FTR, I wouldn’t have kneeled.  I also won’t be more upset about silent protest more than I care the NFL employing scumbags like RI, Mixon, and Tyreek Hill.  So many fake patriots who got more upset about a guy kneeling than a guy getting drafted in the 2nd round after punching a woman. Hypocrisy. 

 

Oh look, the thoughtful observer has found something else to argue about. 

 

Don’t pretend to know my motives, you’ll end up looking like a schmuck.

 

I mentioned Jim brown because the poster I was responding to did first. The kneeling issue isn’t at hand, I merely used the article to reference Brown’s view on athletes protesting. Again, based on context. 

 

And as far as the domestic abuse situation goes- 2 things

 

1- nice job changing the subject for no reason, it really goes well with your all too familiar schtick as a pot stirrer. 

 

2- I have every problem with scum like that in the NFL, and if you’re implying that I don’t (while labeling me a “false patriot”, if indeed you were lumping me in that group) I encourage you to take your bad, biased opinions and shove them back up your ass where you got them.

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This makes as much sense as Jay-Z performing at "Woodstock," would have made.

 

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3 minutes ago, purple haze said:

That is Jim Brown's opinion.  I respect his opinion.  But like so many others who fell into that particular line of thinking, the protest was  against issues happening that did not reflect the ideals the flag is supposed to represent.  And "the way to protest" will always truly mean "don't protest."   Because no matter  how one chooses to do so, there will always be someone who says, "Not that way."    How about things that are protested being addressed in some meaningful way so there is no need for people to do it?

 

There was no violence in the protest.  No words spoken during the protest.  No flag burned during the protest.  The man took a knee.  Half the stadium is in the beer line during the anthem.   Folks just didn't want to deal with the what was being protested.

 

Okay, right... I’m not getting into all of that, and I think we would agree on some things and disagree on others, but my point was merely that you personally stated that folks like Jim brown represent athletes that also take stands (no pun intended) and I was showing that, while that’s true, he has a different view on how to handle some things over what is common now, and over what I imagine would be Jay-Z’s side of the spectrum. 

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14 minutes ago, purple haze said:

We already have issues there won't be more.  The same ones we've had will just be made more stark.  And in terms of sports, see Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, John Carlos, Tommie Smith.  Athletes protesting is nothing new, just like simple minded white supremacists acting a fool isn't new.   

People are going to act out of the condition of their own heart. White, black, hispanic, asian, indian, whatever. There are people wrong on all sides. Treat people how you would want to be treated. There is a difference between trying to make a difference and trying to force feed the masses.  Hire those with an agenda as such and that usually happens. In turn you will have Newton's 3rd Law basically. I choose to make a difference one day and one person at a time, outside of any public light. That's just me. Make whatever assumptions from that you may like. :thumbsup:

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1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Oh look, the thoughtful observer has found something else to argue about. 

 

Don’t pretend to know my motives, you’ll end up looking like a schmuck.

 

I mentioned Jim brown because the poster I was responding to did first. The kneeling issue isn’t at hand, I merely used the article to reference Brown’s view on athletes protesting. Again, based on context. 

 

And as far as the domestic abuse situation goes- 2 things

 

1- nice job changing the subject for no reason, it really goes well with your all too familiar schtick as a pot stirrer. 

 

2- I have every problem with scum like that in the NFL, and if you’re implying that I don’t (while labeling me a “false patriot”, if indeed you were limping me in that group) I encourage you to take your bad, biased opinions and shove them back up your ass where you got them.

Haha, stop being so sensitive.  And stop trying to be a tough guy on a message board.  No one believes you. 

 

1 - I don’t even know why CK was brought up

 

2 - you don’t see the problem with using a guy accused of beating women to back up a point?  

 

3 - a real American recognizes freedom of speech, especially when it’s literally hurting no one.

 

4 - if you ever played football, you know it’s a very diverse group of guys.  I could care less about Bosa and RI loving Trump or CK having his opinions.  And the far majority of players don’t either.  Why do fans?

 

5 - it’s fact that more fans are outraged by CK then by anyone of the scumbags who hit women or threaten to shoot up a funeral home or assault their grandmother.  I missed where fans were giving up watching the nfl after Joe Mixon and Jeffrey Simmons got drafted.

 

like I said, I stand but I’m terms of things I get angry about, this is at the bottom of the list.  You can think America is the greatest country but still understand there are a lot of issues that can be changed. 

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

People are going to act out of the condition of their own heart. White, black, hispanic, asian, indian, whatever. There are people wrong on all sides. Treat people how you would want to be treated. There is a difference between trying to make a difference and trying to force feed the masses.  Hire those with an agenda as such and that usually happens. In turn you will have Newton's 3rd Law basically. I choose to make a difference one day and one person at a time, outside of any public light. That's just me. Make whatever assumptions from that you may like. :thumbsup:

I hope you truly believe this.  And I do understand the part of keeping sports separate, I do.  But in this country, sports has such an impact that you have a bigger voice than most professions.  It’s sad but that’s how it is.  

 

If it was a player from rural America who did this because of the lack of jobs and poverty, I’d listen rather than get angry about it.  

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

This makes as much sense as Jay-Z performing at "Woodstock," would have made.

 

Who would you have?  

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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

Who would you have?  

 

Who would I have what?

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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, stop being so sensitive.  And stop trying to be a tough guy on a message board.  No one believes you. 

 

1 - I don’t even know why CK was brought up

 

2 - you don’t see the problem with using a guy accused of beating women to back up a point?  

 

3 - a real American recognizes freedom of speech, especially when it’s literally hurting no one.

 

4 - if you ever played football, you know it’s a very diverse group of guys.  I could care less about Bosa and RI loving Trump or CK having his opinions.  And the far majority of players don’t either.  Why do fans?

 

5 - it’s fact that more fans are outraged by CK then by anyone of the scumbags who hit women or threaten to shoot up a funeral home or assault their grandmother.  I missed where fans were giving up watching the nfl after Joe Mixon and Jeffrey Simmons got drafted.

 

like I said, I stand but I’m terms of things I get angry about, this is at the bottom of the list.  You can think America is the greatest country but still understand there are a lot of issues that can be changed. 

 

You're right. I will stop trying to be a tough guy. Obviously people who act superior on a message board are major #######s... If I see any I'll let you know.

 

I'm done with this diversion, go re-read all of my posts in this thread and if you still can't understand my points without trying to deflect and change the subject, try some in depth reading material to sharpen your comprehension skills: 

 

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