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Prediction: Kyler Murray will be an injured bust. #Mechanics

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Murray will suck but I'm just a lowly every day fan. What do I know? Cards should trade down as many times as possible. 

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On 4/4/2019 at 12:50 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Yeah. I said it. And I don't care about the fact that he's 5'8" tall. We all know shorter QB's have a decent chance at success (see Flutie, Tyrod and Brees)

 

What I'm referring to here is "throwing mechanics".

 

Let's all agree that Kyler is a natural baseball athlete. In fact, it's his first love. He chose football but baseball is in his blood; otherwise, there would be no uproar when he chose football.

 

I've watched a lot of film on QB's each year (see my previous QB evaluation threads where I hone in on mechanics, velocity, accuracy, free line press speed and rapid eye momentum agility (all QB's are scored on these criteria).

 

Here's what I see with Kyler Murray:

1) Floppy elbow

2) Pseudo side-arm

3) Snaps his wrist on release

4) Eye tracking and target transition is delayed

5) Baseball throwing style for infielders (pushes the ball rather than creating the traditional 90 degree bracket between humerus, ulna, forearm and bicep)

 

With all this in mind, and given how much I read about and watch baseball (which is significant), there's one condition that no one considered when drafting a baseball player: "baseball elbow". It's the condition which many baseball players suffer from attributable to the snapping motion of ligaments within the elbow joint compartment typically requiring ice immersion therapy and then, surgery for compartment release. He's been throwing this way for so many years he'll never correct the faulty mechanics. He'll be on IR within the first two years and out of football in three years. 

 

Feel free to re-visit this link in 36 months. I told ya so.

Its funny how people laugh at what you are saying when the odds actually say its more likely that you are correct.  The only QB I would consider taking innthe top 10 is Lock.

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On 4/4/2019 at 1:54 PM, SouthNYfan said:

 

By the way, if you're going to try to do an " in depth analysis" of somebody's mechanics, your should do your research first.

There is so much wrong with your post.

 

"5) Baseball throwing style for infielders (pushes the ball rather than creating the traditional 90 degree bracket between humerus, ulna, forearm and bicep)"

 

What are you talking about?

Baseball infielders don't push the ball.

They whip it.

The force on the medial aspect of the elbow joint causes increased strain on the medial collateral (aka ulnar collateral) ligament

This is called a "valgus force"

This is increased exponentially when dropping the elbow below the shoulder, or "sidearming" the ball repeatedly.

This causes strain to the medial aspect of the elbow complex.

Surgical repair of the ligament, aka Tommy John, is when the ligament is torn.

I've never seen them do a compartment release, unless it's an ulnar nerve transposition.

This has nothing to do with "90 degree bracket between humerus, ulnar, forearm and bicep" unless you're talking about keeping the elbow above or at shoulder height while throwing.

Your ulna is your forearm (along with your radius), and your humerus is your upper arm, which is where your biceps brachii is located.

 

 

Drop the mic and walk away bro.

 

Too much ether in here :lol::lol:

16 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Murray will suck but I'm just a lowly every day fan. What do I know? Cards should trade down as many times as possible. 

 

Honesty. Nice.

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On 4/4/2019 at 12:50 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Yeah. I said it. And I don't care about the fact that he's 5'8" tall. We all know shorter QB's have a decent chance at success (see Flutie, Tyrod and Brees)

 

What I'm referring to here is "throwing mechanics".

 

Let's all agree that Kyler is a natural baseball athlete. In fact, it's his first love. He chose football but baseball is in his blood; otherwise, there would be no uproar when he chose football.

 

I've watched a lot of film on QB's each year (see my previous QB evaluation threads where I hone in on mechanics, velocity, accuracy, free line press speed and rapid eye momentum agility (all QB's are scored on these criteria).

 

Here's what I see with Kyler Murray:

1) Floppy elbow

2) Pseudo side-arm

3) Snaps his wrist on release

4) Eye tracking and target transition is delayed

5) Baseball throwing style for infielders (pushes the ball rather than creating the traditional 90 degree bracket between humerus, ulna, forearm and bicep)

 

With all this in mind, and given how much I read about and watch baseball (which is significant), there's one condition that no one considered when drafting a baseball player: "baseball elbow". It's the condition which many baseball players suffer from attributable to the snapping motion of ligaments within the elbow joint compartment typically requiring ice immersion therapy and then, surgery for compartment release. He's been throwing this way for so many years he'll never correct the faulty mechanics. He'll be on IR within the first two years and out of football in three years. 

 

Feel free to re-visit this link in 36 months. I told ya so.

You have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

Better to be quiet and let them think................ than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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16 minutes ago, pop gun said:

You have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

Better to be quiet and let them think................ than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I watch a lot of baseball. 

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2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I watch a lot of baseball. 

I use to play baseball in college and so did my son, so what's your point!

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2 hours ago, pop gun said:

I use to play baseball in college and so did my son, so what's your point!

You should re-read the OP before spouting off about staying quiet vs. talking and removing all doubt. I have a keen eye as it relates to baseball throwing mechanics. How bout dat?

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2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

You should re-read the OP before spouting off about staying quiet vs. talking and removing all doubt. I have a keen eye as it relates to baseball throwing mechanics. How bout dat?

Yeah, i'm not the one fabricating stuff, but I digress your armchair eye is obviously far superior to someone who has fixed injured players and better than someone who has played the game at a high level. You win! 

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So, Hollywood Brown (#15 Ravens, front row) is listed at 5’9. Just saying.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

So, Hollywood Brown (#15 Ravens, front row) is listed at 5’9. Just saying.

 

 

 

 

Height measurement-gate?

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12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

So, Hollywood Brown (#15 Ravens, front row) is listed at 5’9. Just saying.

 

 

 

The part that always seemed odd to me was that he didn’t have the height measurement done at his pro day, even though he was being weighed again. 

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21 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

Height measurement-gate?

Yes and I’m the ring leader! I’ve been saying since last year he is not 5’10. He’s 5 8.5. I will take this my grave! 

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29 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

Height measurement-gate?

Yep. He's lifting like Mickey(Seinfeld) Pretty much ended his career in show biz.

 

I actually like Murray, but there's no way he's 5'10.

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Odd, I don't recall any middle infielders in baseball needing Tommy John surgery.  I don't buy an elbow injury will put him on IR. His sleight frame will be broken early and often in the NFL. He will be in an A's farm system by 2022. 

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10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes and I’m the ring leader! I’ve been saying since last year he is not 5’10. He’s 5 8.5. I will take this my grave! 

 

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yep. He's lifting like Mickey(Seinfeld) Pretty much ended his career in show biz.

 

I actually like Murray, but there's no way he's 5'10.

 

 

Haha .  I agree with you guys .  I love how a lot of people cite the NFL combine measurement as official when that is nothing but a hype machine.  Bring him to a doctor’s office and let’s see what that height really is 😛

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A person can increase his height by an inch maybe even two by hydrating and hanging by your arms (or upside down) for a period of time. It's all about elongating the spine and increasing the space between each vertebrae a little bit. Add a little to each of the 20+ vertebral spaces and you can "grow" by an inch or two shortly before being measured.

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9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

A person can increase his height by an inch maybe even two by hydrating and hanging by your arms (or upside down) for a period of time. It's all about elongating the spine and increasing the space between each vertebrae a little bit. Add a little to each of the 20+ vertebral spaces and you can "grow" by an inch or two shortly before being measured.

 

I suppose we would have heard if he was hanging upside down at the time of the measurement.  😋

 

I’m with the “he’s not really 5’10” 1/8th crowd”. If that’s his natural height, and it’s such a big deal, you just get measured again at your pro day to put the talk to rest. I don’t know how they did it, but Penn & Teller may have been involved. 

 

It’s also worth noting that only one player in that photo has a headband on, making his hair stand up taller. 

 

He also seems to be standing closer to the seat in front of him, while the others are slightly farther away and closer to the seat behind him. Stuff like this just makes people look at it even closer, maybe to the point of even just imagining some things. Just come clean, play well,  and it goes away. He’ll either make it, or he won’t in the end. 

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Man, Andy Isabella is one ugly mug...

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Cards sent 3 guys? Alrighty

 

Pats have three there, and two of them are wearing numbers that they can't wear in the regular season... I hate that. 

 

Also, I have a strange feeing that number 26 front and center will be the best player from this picture. 

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4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Man, Andy Isabella is one ugly mug...

 

Pats have three there, and two of them are wearing numbers that they can't wear in the regular season... I hate that. 

 

Also, I have a strange feeing that number 26 front and center will be the best player from this picture. 

And no Jets! Lmao

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

And no Jets! Lmao

 

Now that Gase is done pouting in the corner, he cut the whole draft class.

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On 4/4/2019 at 12:50 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Yeah. I said it. And I don't care about the fact that he's 5'8" tall. We all know shorter QB's have a decent chance at success (see Flutie, Tyrod and Brees)

 

What I'm referring to here is "throwing mechanics".

 

Let's all agree that Kyler is a natural baseball athlete. In fact, it's his first love. He chose football but baseball is in his blood; otherwise, there would be no uproar when he chose football.

 

I've watched a lot of film on QB's each year (see my previous QB evaluation threads where I hone in on mechanics, velocity, accuracy, free line press speed and rapid eye momentum agility (all QB's are scored on these criteria).

 

Here's what I see with Kyler Murray:

1) Floppy elbow

2) Pseudo side-arm

3) Snaps his wrist on release

4) Eye tracking and target transition is delayed

5) Baseball throwing style for infielders (pushes the ball rather than creating the traditional 90 degree bracket between humerus, ulna, forearm and bicep)

 

With all this in mind, and given how much I read about and watch baseball (which is significant), there's one condition that no one considered when drafting a baseball player: "baseball elbow". It's the condition which many baseball players suffer from attributable to the snapping motion of ligaments within the elbow joint compartment typically requiring ice immersion therapy and then, surgery for compartment release. He's been throwing this way for so many years he'll never correct the faulty mechanics. He'll be on IR within the first two years and out of football in three years. 

 

Feel free to re-visit this link in 36 months. I told ya so.

You named one successful QB.  Flutie did ok.  Drew is also 6 foot not 5 anything.  Murray doesnt stand tall in the pocket.

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Are there any (other) young QB's "we" DO think are good/going to be good? Seems like they're all trash or in perfect situations.

 

 

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Posted (edited)
On 4/4/2019 at 1:45 PM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

I think Murray's gonna be pretty good.

This ^^^

I remember The same was said about Mayfield minus baseball ️ 

too short , too small , 

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