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Prediction: Kyler Murray will be an injured bust. #Mechanics

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Maybe coming from folks with an agenda idk but Casserly reported scuttlebutt that he was the worst interviewee that teams had ever seen. Seems like a lot of red flags there. I guess I'm a little surprised that he'll be the first player off the board. 

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1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

I do this for a living too. Baseball and football take up 20 hours a day and I’ve seen numerous instances of baseball players suffering from Protracted Humeral Ulnar Collateral Kineological Syndrome. It’s ok if you haven’t run into that yet. You will. Just having a massage license doesn’t mean you can opine on sports mechanics as referenced in the OP. I know you help people but I do too....QB evaluations. 

 

Not a massage therapist.

Nice to see you are good at making things up.

If you want to try and act intelligent and make "evaluations" on players, and to a greater extent, their throwing/body mechanics you should probably spend a few more minutes on Google.

I suggest you learn about kinesiology, joint forces, and arthrokinematics, and how they apply to the mechanisms of orthopedic injuries before you try "evaluating" a QBs throwing mechanics again.

 

Scouting a player and projecting their future performance is one thing.

It's not an exact science and has a lot of opinion.

 

Throwing/body mechanics is an exact science, you know, because it is actually science.

 

There are facts and opinions.

 

You seem to know nothing about facts in this instance.

 

 

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My left shoulder is killing me! It’s been 3-4 weeks. I’ve even tied my left arm down to my side when I sleep. Can anyone help me???

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7 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

So what the OP is saying is that Arizona is too dumb to recognize that he has bad mechanics, has a coaching staff that is too dumb to be able to coach him into better mechanics & Murray is too set in his ways to listen to coaches and work on his mechanics, all because he loves baseball.  While I'm not a fan of Arizona drafting Murray #1 and I think there are a number of red flags from size to the lack of success on dual sports QBs who have baseball contracts (remember Elway was just using the Yankees to get out of Baltimore) and end up playing in the NFL, I think the OP is really reaching on this mechanics thing.

Also, for every QB ever drafted since the advent of message boards, there are numerous posts as to why the guy will be a bust.  I prefer posts that aren't negative on every QB out there, although I will admit that when I heard that EJ was offering stock in his future the 1st thing I said was I want to know how to short that stock.  

PS: I will admit a lot of what I feel is clouded by all the criticism I saw last year on Josh Allen before we drafted him and how stupid any team would be to make him a top 10 pick.   

 

 

Well rgiii had terrible lower body mechanics.

He's basically a case study on how to NOT jump/run to protect your ACL.

There's a ton of literature about his knee and their valgus stressor positioning during his combine jumps.

So sometimes coaches just ignore it because "if it ain't broke yet, don't fix it" until it's too late, and it is broke, and you can't fix it.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Augie said:

My left shoulder is killing me! It’s been 3-4 weeks. I’ve even tied my left arm down to my side when I sleep. Can anyone help me???

 

Chop it off fam.

It's done for.

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8 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

 

 

Chop it off fam.

It's done for.

 

Like with my little yard hatchet, or my big bread knife? 

 

BTW - do I owe you anything for the advice? I have some Meadcoin in my medical savings plan. Do you take Meadcoin?   

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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Science agrees it WAS just one day, when the meteor hit.

 

Thanks for the insight, Fergy!

 

What does science know? I was THERE! Plenz will tell you! It hit right after brunch where I may have hit the Bloody Mary’s a bit hard. Two is usually my limit, except for always.....and on extinction days. (Oh, and Brontosaurus Eggs Benedict is a meal for sharing! But I digress.) So anyway, by sunup the next day we were back at the beach, wishing we hadn’t invested so heavily in sunscreeen, but having a delightful day. 

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6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

shocking. 😏

 

You hurt my feelings, sir 😘

 

5 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Not a massage therapist.

Nice to see you are good at making things up.

If you want to try and act intelligent and make "evaluations" on players, and to a greater extent, their throwing/body mechanics you should probably spend a few more minutes on Google.

I suggest you learn about kinesiology, joint forces, and arthrokinematics, and how they apply to the mechanisms of orthopedic injuries before you try "evaluating" a QBs throwing mechanics again.

 

Scouting a player and projecting their future performance is one thing.

It's not an exact science and has a lot of opinion.

 

Throwing/body mechanics is an exact science, you know, because it is actually science.

 

There are facts and opinions.

 

You seem to know nothing about facts in this instance.

 

 

 

Yeah!  You really let him have it!  No room for shenanigans around here.  That’s what I always say.  Arthrokinematics though?

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Protracted

Humeral

Ulnar

Collateral

Kineological

Syndrome

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Now that’s just too coincidental for this cynical old man...😁

 

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5 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

You hurt my feelings, sir 😘

 

 

Yeah!  You really let him have it!  No room for shenanigans around here.  That’s what I always say.  Arthrokinematics though?

 

The combination of rolls, spins, and slides that create movements between joint surfaces in the body.

This is very relative in throwing mechanics.

One part of this is the articulation of the glenohumeral joint.

There is an anterior (forward) glide at this joint which helps increase extension and external rotation.

Typically we see your posterior (back) joint capsule being tight, so then it won't allow the orientation of the humeral head against the glenoid fossa to adjust properly during the throwing motion. 

This reduces the range of motion of the shoulder, causing increased stress on the elbow and/or thoracic spine, most notably the thoracolumbar transition at T12-L1, which is why back injuries are not uncommon amongst pitchers.

 

Hope that helped 😁

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58 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

The combination of rolls, spins, and slides that create movements between joint surfaces in the body.

This is very relative in throwing mechanics.

One part of this is the articulation of the glenohumeral joint.

There is an anterior (forward) glide at this joint which helps increase extension and external rotation.

Typically we see your posterior (back) joint capsule being tight, so then it won't allow the orientation of the humeral head against the glenoid fossa to adjust properly during the throwing motion. 

This reduces the range of motion of the shoulder, causing increased stress on the elbow and/or thoracic spine, most notably the thoracolumbar transition at T12-L1, which is why back injuries are not uncommon amongst pitchers.

 

Hope that helped 😁

Please stay on topic. 

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5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Please stay on topic. 

 

The topic was about Murray and his throwing mechanics.

Sorry I corrected your misinformation.

Troll.

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13 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

The topic was about Murray and his throwing mechanics.

Sorry I corrected your misinformation.

Troll.

Don't be angry because @BringBackFergy thought that you may be an unlicensed massage therapist.  Since the whole Kraft affair he's been skittish about who he interacts with.  His methodologies might be unorthodox, but his track record with QBs and WRs is unparalleled. 

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1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

Don't be angry because @BringBackFergy thought that you may be an unlicensed massage therapist.  Since the whole Kraft affair he's been skittish about who he interacts with.  His methodologies might be unorthodox, but his track record with QBs and WRs is unparalleled. 

 

Unorthodox methodologies and track records don't change incorrect information.

 

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Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Unorthodox methodologies and track records don't change incorrect information.

 

How many scientific discoveries were mistakes? Something discovered whilst looking for something totally different... Because someone uses terms that you are unable to understand doesn't mean that they are wrong in their thinking.

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Just now, Cripple Creek said:

How many scientific discoveries were mistakes? Something discovered whilst looking for something totally different... Because someone uses terms that you are unable to understand doesn't mean that they are wrong in their thinking.

 

No.

Just no.

No terms that I didn't understand were used.

He incorrectly spoke about throwing mechanics, using completely incorrect terminology.

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15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

No.

Just no.

No terms that I didn't understand were used.

He incorrectly spoke about throwing mechanics, using completely incorrect terminology.

“Delayed platform eye tracking” is an incorrect criteria? Humeral Ulnar bracket positioning is wrong? If so, I’d hate to be treated in your massage spa. 

21 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

How many scientific discoveries were mistakes? Something discovered whilst looking for something totally different... Because someone uses terms that you are unable to understand doesn't mean that they are wrong in their thinking.

Haters gone hate. 

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1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

“Delayed platform eye tracking” is an incorrect criteria? Humeral Ulnar bracket positioning is wrong? If so, I’d hate to be treated in your massage spa. 

Haters gone hate. 

 

Yes because you referred to the elbow humerus ulnar abduction 90 degree bracket (which doesn't exist) and how it relates to injury

The elbow doesn't abduct.

The shoulder does.

Having less than 90 SHOULDER abduction while throwing is what leads to UCL injuries from valgus stress.

 

I've explained this in detail.

Try reading.

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I certainly wouldn’t lump Tyrod in with Kyler Murray as a “small qb,” he measured 6’1”+ at the combine and was nearly 220 lbs lean natural muscle. Unlike Kyler who ate burgers to bulk up to 207, he probably won’t hit 200 lbs the rest of his career.

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22 hours ago, CountryCletus said:

Fergy, you forgot to mention his posture. He stands too upright in the pocket, he will tip over too easy and take a lot of unnecessary sacks... bound to have knee issues/injuries 

 

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Just here for the arthrokinematics...

 

also known as 'moving'.

 

Kid is DONE FOR

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15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Just here for the arthrokinematics...

 

also known as 'moving'.

 

Kid is DONE FOR

 

D*ck

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9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

D*ck

Please use the anatomically correct term. Penis. Penis is what you are thinking of. 

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13 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

D*ck

You're either really really good at this, or really really bad at this.  In any case, your willing participation has generated overwhelmingly positive effects on my mood today.

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5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Please use the anatomically correct term. Penis. Penis is what you are thinking of. 

 

Or duck?

Or deck?

 

2 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said:

You're either really really good at this, or really really bad at this.  In any case, your willing participation has generated overwhelmingly positive effects on my mood today.

 

Either you're now talking on 2 accounts or you fergy has a groupie.

 

Either way that's sad.

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9 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Please use the anatomically correct term. Penis. Penis is what you are thinking of. 

It's requests, like this, that make me embarrassed to be your groupie.

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