3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: This seems to be a good time to remind everyone that gun violence kills far more people in this country than does abortion. Only because your personal beliefs don't consider abortions as killing "people". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Only because your personal beliefs don't consider abortions as killing "people". My personal beliefs have nothing to do with this. We’re a nation of laws. And the law says that a fetus has to be born alive to become a person. Fortunately for all of us the law is not a matter of convenience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: And the law says that a fetus has to be born alive to become a person. Put all too simply, but there is no reason to argue with a fool like you. Not too many "fetuses" are born alive after you cut their head off. Planned Parenthood did something remarkable this week. You might call it appalling—not necessarily for the substance of the message—but for the context in which it was made. Yesterday, of course, was #blackouttuesday. Anyone with an active Instagram presence already knows as much. And while there was some confusion as to what the precise message was—even at the highest levels—the gist of it was fairly simple. Violence against black lives—specifically, police violence—will not be tolerated. In light of the sweeping wave of blackout posts, I got to wondering about Planned Parenthood. Would the largest abortion business in America dare to join the angry and grieving masses by posting that simple black square? As it turns out, they did and they didn’t. Planned Parenthood doesn’t have a corporate Instagram account, but many of their affiliates do. The Instagram account for the Planned Parenthood Action Fund did not post a black square; the IG account for Planned Parenthood Minnesota did. More significantly, Planned Parenthood’s corporate Twitter account issued the following statement on Monday: Quote We're devastated, grieving, and outraged by violence against Black lives. We must continue to demand accountability, justice, and an end to the inequity that continues to define every moment of life for Black America from the racist institutions that uphold white supremacy. Whether you agree with that statement or not—which asserts that U.S. police departments are “racist institutions that uphold white supremacy,” it’s who’s making the statement that makes it so damned duplicitous. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Last year, police officers in the United States killed nine unarmed black persons—and 19 unarmed white persons. By comparison, Planned Parenthood killed approximately 131,000 unarmed black babies (in 2018) and 121,000 unarmed white babies. Think about those numbers for a moment. Planned Parenthood doesn’t break out their abortion totals by race. They would never be so foolish. But the Centers for Disease Control does. According to Planned Parenthood’s most-recent annual report (2018-2019), they aborted the lives of 345,672 unborn human beings in fiscal 2018. In the CDC’s 2016 “Abortion Surveillance,” which is their most current, they report that 38% of U.S. abortions are performed on black mothers; 35% are performed on white. The race of the fathers is unknown. Based on those percentages, we can deduce that approximately 131,355 of Planned Parenthood’s 2018 abortions were performed on babies with a black mom. An unknown number of additional abortions were performed on babies with a black father. To put things in perspective, Planned Parenthood kills 14,555 innocent black babies for every one innocent black adult killed by the police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, B-Man said: Put all too simply, but there is no reason to argue with a fool like you. Not too many "fetuses" are born alive after you cut their head off. Planned Parenthood did something remarkable this week. You might call it appalling—not necessarily for the substance of the message—but for the context in which it was made. Yesterday, of course, was #blackouttuesday. Anyone with an active Instagram presence already knows as much. And while there was some confusion as to what the precise message was—even at the highest levels—the gist of it was fairly simple. Violence against black lives—specifically, police violence—will not be tolerated. In light of the sweeping wave of blackout posts, I got to wondering about Planned Parenthood. Would the largest abortion business in America dare to join the angry and grieving masses by posting that simple black square? As it turns out, they did and they didn’t. Planned Parenthood doesn’t have a corporate Instagram account, but many of their affiliates do. The Instagram account for the Planned Parenthood Action Fund did not post a black square; the IG account for Planned Parenthood Minnesota did. More significantly, Planned Parenthood’s corporate Twitter account issued the following statement on Monday: Whether you agree with that statement or not—which asserts that U.S. police departments are “racist institutions that uphold white supremacy,” it’s who’s making the statement that makes it so damned duplicitous. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Last year, police officers in the United States killed nine unarmed black persons—and 19 unarmed white persons. By comparison, Planned Parenthood killed approximately 131,000 unarmed black babies (in 2018) and 121,000 unarmed white babies. Think about those numbers for a moment. Planned Parenthood doesn’t break out their abortion totals by race. They would never be so foolish. But the Centers for Disease Control does. According to Planned Parenthood’s most-recent annual report (2018-2019), they aborted the lives of 345,672 unborn human beings in fiscal 2018. In the CDC’s 2016 “Abortion Surveillance,” which is their most current, they report that 38% of U.S. abortions are performed on black mothers; 35% are performed on white. The race of the fathers is unknown. Based on those percentages, we can deduce that approximately 131,355 of Planned Parenthood’s 2018 abortions were performed on babies with a black mom. An unknown number of additional abortions were performed on babies with a black father. To put things in perspective, Planned Parenthood kills 14,555 innocent black babies for every one innocent black adult killed by the police. Bottom line: you’re one of those rule of law guys, until the law is inconvenient. Got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Bottom line: you’re one of those rule of law guys, until the law is inconvenient. Got it. I could post this about Section C3's posts every time. Not that you deserve a real response, but you were the one who keeps calling others "law and Order" posters. I would never refer to the murdering of an infant as "inconvenient" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 5/27/2020 at 8:01 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: When an employee is terminated at Planned Parenthood, we support the choice of the organization or no? I can't always remember the protocol. Can tPP sell their body parts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, B-Man said: I could post this about Section C3's posts every time. Not that you deserve a real response, but you were the one who keeps calling others "law and Order" posters. I would never refer to the murdering of an infant as "inconvenient" Me too. But a fetus isn’t an infant. And it’s also not a person. So what about my point that gun violence kills more people than abortion? The truth is inconvenient for you on that one, sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: My personal beliefs have nothing to do with this. We’re a nation of laws. And the law says that a fetus has to be born alive to become a person. Fortunately for all of us the law is not a matter of convenience. So, in Nazi Germany, the law was that Jews and various others like gypsies and homosexuals were subhuman and it was alright to imprison and ultimately exterminate them. Was that okay? If not, why not? The rationale of legal positivism is that what is right is defined simply by what the law says. If you disagree, what criteria founds the basis of disagreement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Dr. Who said: So, in Nazi Germany, the law was that Jews and various others like gypsies and homosexuals were subhuman and it was alright to imprison and ultimately exterminate them. Was that okay? If not, why not? The rationale of legal positivism is that what is right is defined simply by what the law says. If you disagree, what criteria founds the basis of disagreement? Only you are debating the merits. I’m simply pointing out ghat guns kill more people than does abortion. It’s an inconvenient truth for the rule of law crowd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 hours ago, SectionC3 said: This seems to be a good time to remind everyone that gun violence kills far more people in this country than does abortion. 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Me too. But a fetus isn’t an infant. And it’s also not a person. So what about my point that gun violence kills more people than abortion? The truth is inconvenient for you on that one, sir. In order to argue your point that gun violence kills more people than abortion, first, you must recognize those being aborted as a person. By your own stated definitions, if gun violence killed 1 person that would be more people than abortions. By the same definition more people also die taking ill advised selfies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: In order to argue your point that gun violence kills more people than abortion, first, you must recognize those being aborted as a person. By your own stated definitions, if gun violence killed 1 person that would be more people than abortions. By the same definition more people also die taking ill advised selfies. And that is the point. It is an inconvenient truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Only you are debating the merits. I’m simply pointing out ghat guns kill more people than does abortion. It’s an inconvenient truth for the rule of law crowd. If an 8 month happily pregnant woman was shot and her wanted fetus died but she survived would that count as gun violence killing someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 The stem cell business is booming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reality Check said: The stem cell business is booming. Adult stem cells are where promising results have occured. NOT fetal stem cells. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: If an 8 month happily pregnant woman was shot and her wanted fetus died but she survived would that count as gun violence killing someone? If the fetus was born alive, the fetus would become a "person" and that would "count" as the death of "person" under the eyes of the law. If not, then that instance of gun violence would not have killed a "person" as the term is established in the law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, B-Man said: Adult stem cells are where promising results have occured. NOT fetal stem cells. . They are in ever higher demand in bioweapons research globally. Hundreds of such labs on six continents agree. Monitoring of these labs is done by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. They don't answer to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They only answer to SOCOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 14 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: If an 8 month happily pregnant woman was shot and her wanted fetus died but she survived would that count as gun violence killing someone? Laws vary by state, as do definitions. Notably see Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas (and perhaps some others), which do seem to define "people"/"person" as "an unborn child". https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hedge said: Laws vary by state, as do definitions. Notably see Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas (and perhaps some others), which do seem to define "people"/"person" as "an unborn child". https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx I was just really seeing whether C3's desire to take guns from people trumped his defense of abortion anywhere, anytime or vice versa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I was just really seeing whether C3's desire to take guns from people trumped his defense of abortion anywhere, anytime or vice versa. Since by his definitions cell phone selfie accidents also kill more people, he may want to grab those as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Hedge said: Since by his definitions cell phone selfie accidents also kill more people, he may want to grab those as well. I don't agree but I acknowledge the argument for post birth abortion of people that take selfies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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