PFT article about the problem with having defense-minded head coaches

[The Jokeman]

On 1/8/2019 at 5:49 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Make no mistake that Patriots team has been offense driven for the past 15 seasons.   That's the one constant

The Patriots have been keep games close and have Brady lead them to win it late depedent if/at all possible. 

[reddogblitz]

Two of the greatest offensive minds in the history of football were hired after winning the NFL Championship as DEFENSIVE coordinators. Tom Landry and Bill Bellyache.

 

it's more import to hire a good HEAD coach.

[stuvian]

to which I respond Jon Gruden

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Minus Harbaugh, they all had HOF qbs.

 

I think you can make a point that at the time he won a Superbowl, Russ Wilson was not functioning at a HOF QB level. 

 

[Trogdor]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You have to have players. 

 

The Bills would be better if they drafted well. 

 

There are virtually no legacy players that the Bills drafted throughout the Drought other than Kyle Williams and Eric Wood. 

 

Multiple drafts in the Drought yielded nothing - 2005 nothing, 2006 Kyle Williams and nothing else, 2007 (Lynch gone after 3 years), 2008, 2010, 2011 (got Dareus at #3 and maybe Aaron Williams who really only had one good year), 2012 (Gilmore and Glenn are both gone), 2013 (Woods gone), 2014 (Watkins is a bust), 2015 (Darby gone), 2016 (Lawson is a rotational piece), 2017 finally a good player White. 

 

While I think there is value in offensive minded head coaching, I wish these analysts would LOOK at how Playoff games actually play out. The scoring comes down (defense matters) and it really hinges on your QB's ability to make plays. 

 

I think people overrate Coaching to SOME degree and continually undervalue the power of drafting well. 

I don't think he is any better than the other names listed, he just hasn't been traded or signed by another team yet. Retention was the biggest failure of the last 10 years and the last purge doesn't help that image. 

[billsfan1959]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you can make a point that at the time he won a Superbowl, Russ Wilson was not functioning at a HOF QB level. 

 

No, he wasn't. I like Russell Wilson a lot; however, he has had almost as many bad playoff performances as good ones.

[C.Biscuit97]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you can make a point that at the time he won a Superbowl, Russ Wilson was not functioning at a HOF QB level. 

 

He had 30 tds and 100 qb rating as a rookie.  He might not have had to carry the team but that is a hall of Fame rookie season.  Honestly, I can’t believe it’s even a question if he’s a HOFer.  He’s a weirdo but he has a 75-36-1 record with 2 super bowl appearances and 1 win.

[The Jokeman]

On 1/8/2019 at 4:18 PM, Logic said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/08/lafleur-hire-leaves-mike-vrabel-without-an-offensive-coordinator/

 

"NFL teams are looking for offensive coaches, and Monday’s decision by the Packers to hire Titans offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur underscores it.

With the pendulum squarely pointed in the direction of the Os not the Xs (solid defensive performances from wild-card weekend notwithstanding), teams have placed great importance on having in place a staff of offensive coaches who can develop quarterbacks and hone playbooks and strategies and concepts and otherwise get the most out of the collection of 11 players charged with moving the ball and scoring the points.

The fact that the Titans, one year after hiring a defensive coach, find themselves looking for a new offensive coordinator underscores the problem that teams will face when hiring defensive coaches. If your offensive coordinator has any degree of success (and, frankly, the Titans didn’t have much last year, finishing 25th in total yards and 29th in passing yards), he’ll be gone and your defensive head coach will be stuck looking for a replacement."


There's been a lot of talk the past couple of days about the difficulties of revolving-door OC situations around the NFL, as highlighted by the recent hiring of Matt LeFleur by the Packers. Basically, as mentioned in the article, the notion is that if your head coach is a defensive specialist, any time his OCs start to have success, they're going to get poached by another team. This, in turn, leads to constant turnover at the position, which can hinder the development of young QBs. Marcus Mariota is a great example, as he's about to be on his 5th OC in 5 seasons. 

Obviously, the same can happen in reverse. If you have an OFFENSE-minded head coach, its possible that his DEFENSIVE coordinators routinely get poached. However, this is theoretically less damaging to a team and, in particular, does not affect the most important position on the team, the quarterback. Furthermore, as more and more teams hire offensive-minded head coaches, defensive coordinators that have success are less likely to be stolen away after a good season.

So my question, as a fan of a team with a head coach whose specialty is defense and who has just drafted a young QB, is should we be worried about this phenomenon? How will we feel if Daboll has a good season next year and then gets stolen away, leaving Josh Allen to have to learn a brand new offense just as he's beginning to hit his stride? I happen to like Sean McDermott quite a lot. I also tend to think that finding a quality leader and tone setter is the most important thing, and that McDermott fits the bill. Nevertheless, this year's coaching cycle has my mental wheels turning. Are the Bills gonna be cycling through OCs and stunting Allen's growth by virtue of the direction that the league seems to be going in terms of head coach preferences? Is this a legitimate concern or much ado about nothing?

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/beane-were-still-process-finding-franchise-quarterback

 

"We all know if you draft a guy for a certain coordinator or certain system, that guy goes on and does well and becomes a head coach, and a new guy comes in here and has a different system that doesn't fit the quarterback, that doesn't make sense. We'll draft a guy with a skill set that we think fits, and it will be up to the offensive coordinator and the offensive staff to accentuate whatever his strengths are and hide the weaknesses."

[Ronin]

On 1/9/2019 at 5:23 PM, dave mcbride said:

??? - in the past 18 years, they have finished in the top 10 in points allowed 13 times and the top 10 in yards surrendered 7 times.  Christ, they were first in points allowed and 8th in yards allowed a mere 2 years ago! (2016)

Also, with regard to winning percentage and competition level, he is in fact 27-10 in the postseason with the Pats. 

 

He is the greatest coach of all time. There's really no argument to be had about that. And lest we forget, that 1994 Browns team (11-5; 1st in D) was a team on the up and up that got derailed by the Modell-created chaos in Cleveland the next season. And he was one of the greatest DCs of the modern era before all of this. By the numbers, the Giants was utterly dominant when he was the DC there from 1985-1990. 

 

Funny, you quote me but then ignore just about everything in the quote.  

 

Meh ... as long as you're convinced.  I just think that it's odd that the only time he's ever made the playoffs is with Brady and that he's pretty much sucked as a HC when he hasn't had Brady, as in Jauron sucky.  

 

Belichich has a .456 winning pct. w/o Brady.  Jauron's career win pct. was .423, a relatively negligible difference.  

 

It's interesting because Jauron, in most cases, did it with a crappy D.  Just sayin'.  

 

As I said, I hope that Belichick keeps coaching once Brady falters/retires.  I think we'll start seeing a very mediocre coach again.  What would that suggest if true?