John from Riverside Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, BigDingus said: Just goes to show how predictable Allen is... He can look decent (mostly on the ground) against bad teams, but when we play good teams he disappears. If your expectation for good QB play is how well they can run the ball then sure, Allen can even do that on occasion against decent teams, but if you want him to do what other successful QB's do & be a good a passer, it's not happening. Right now remenber he is working with crap on offense and is in his rookie year 7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The key to beating Josh Allen is just play your normal defense. He isn’t good. Your posts are so bad on this he is a raw rookie qb who is basically our offense right now Edited December 29, 2018 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Success said: He isn’t good? Not even sure what that means. He’s a very promising rookie in what will likely be the best rookie QB class in many years. Yes, not good. Sunday will be his 11th start. He has 7 TDs passing and 6 TDs rushing. So he is generating 1.3 TDs per game, at an inefficient 52% completion clip, to go with 11 interceptions. Like I said, just play your normal defense and you can beat Josh Allen. 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Right now remenber he is working with crap on offense and is in his rookie year Your posts are so bad on this he is a raw rookie qb who is basically our offense right now You have nothing but look to the future John. Of course there is room for him to improve. So far he is what his scouting reports said he was - erratic, sometimes brilliant, but at the end of the day not a lot of production. Edited December 29, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 If the Bills lose again to MIA tomorrow, Allen will be 4-6 as a starting QB. Why is a “ blueprint” required to beat him ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If the Bills lose again to MIA tomorrow, Allen will be 4-6 as a starting QB. Why is a “ blueprint” required to beat him ? You can’t say that Boatdrinks. You have to be a John Murphy bobble head and agree that Josh Allen looks great. In reality I see the same thing as you in 2018. He is exactly what his Scouting Reports said he’d be. Gifted, but erratic. The difference is whether you believe Allen is 100% going to improve and be an upper echelon QB, that his trajectory is straight upward, or whether you acknowledge that he might never improve enough to really win Playoff games. That the 2-3 years away thing is really the old Parcell’s line that potential just means you haven’t done anything yet and that some guys don’t ever escape that destiny because at the end of the day they don’t have the instincts or the playing patterns required to win at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If the Bills lose again to MIA tomorrow, Allen will be 4-6 as a starting QB. Why is a “ blueprint” required to beat him ? Is this a serious post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Is this a serious post? Yeah it’s serious. Why would teams rams have to install a special blueprint for a guy that averages ~200 ypg passing when he plays the whole game and 1.3 TDs (rushing/passing) combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah it’s serious. Why would teams rams have to install a special blueprint for a guy that averages ~200 ypg passing when he plays the whole game and 1.3 TDs (rushing/passing) combined. Yeah, that's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 As a Bills fan, I sincerely hope Allen improves. What I see currently is a poor man's Cam Newton. An upper echelon supporting cast can mask a lot of Allen's deficiencies as a passer. With a thin FA market for offensive playmakers, Brandon Beane has his work cut out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, that's what I thought. What’s your counter argument past this ?? Why would you need a “blueprint” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: As a Bills fan, I sincerely hope Allen improves. What I see currently is a poor man's Cam Newton. An upper echelon supporting cast can mask a lot of Allen's deficiencies as a passer. With a thin FA market for offensive playmakers, Brandon Beane has his work cut out for him. There's a chance to significantly improve the OL, which is where it should start. Then adding a #2 veteran WR would also help a lot. A year in the system will also help everyone. Then there's the draft. Edited December 29, 2018 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: As a Bills fan, I sincerely hope Allen improves. What I see currently is a poor man's Cam Newton. An upper echelon supporting cast can mask a lot of Allen's deficiencies as a passer. With a thin FA market for offensive playmakers, Brandon Beane has his work cut out for him. This is a realistic and truthful post. 1. <60% completion percentage 2. Averages ~200 yards/game and 1 TD offensively. 3. Roughly matches Cam Newton’s height and weight with less muscle. 4. Brandon Beane referenced Cam Newton multiple times when discussing what he looked for in a Franchise QB and what Josh Allen’s strengths were/are. Edited December 29, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yes, not good. Sunday will be his 11th start. He has 7 TDs passing and 6 TDs rushing. So he is generating 1.3 TDs per game, at an inefficient 52% completion clip, to go with 11 interceptions. Like I said, just play your normal defense and you can beat Josh Allen. You have nothing but look to the future John. Of course there is room for him to improve. So far he is what his scouting reports said he was - erratic, sometimes brilliant, but at the end of the day not a lot of production. OF COURSE we have nothing but look to the future WE ARE REBIULDING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yes, not good. Sunday will be his 11th start. He has 7 TDs passing and 6 TDs rushing. So he is generating 1.3 TDs per game, at an inefficient 52% completion clip, to go with 11 interceptions. Like I said, just play your normal defense and you can beat Josh Allen. You have nothing but look to the future John. Of course there is room for him to improve. So far he is what his scouting reports said he was - erratic, sometimes brilliant, but at the end of the day not a lot of production. His 11th start. Worth repeating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Doc said: There's a chance to significantly improve the OL, which is where it should start. Then adding a #2 veteran WR would also help a lot. A year in the system will also help everyone. Then there's the draft. People call this excuse making, but most fans in other markets probably can’t name more than 1 Bills receiver, and the line is abysmal. I love how Allen is playing. I can’t remember seeing so many drops, and so few great catches. I haven’t seen this wild inaccuracy that some talk about. As far as I’m concerned, we found the guy. Allen is going to tear it up with a better line and some real weapons to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Success said: His 11th start. Worth repeating. Hence the “room to improve” that I mentioned. And of course, what Bills fan thinks they’re set across the rest of the offense. Some fans have been impressed with Allen to the point they’re sure he’s the answer. I think he’s been as advertised coming out Wyoming, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Hence the “room to improve” that I mentioned. And of course, what Bills fan thinks they’re set across the rest of the offense. Some fans have been impressed with Allen to the point they’re sure he’s the answer. I think he’s been as advertised coming out Wyoming, nothing more, nothing less. Pretty much. It comes down to the eternal FB question-- Can a QB learn/improve accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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