Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: I will happily pick up this conversation in the morning if anyone wishes to. I will read your sources and pick up the convo tomorrow - got side tracked with the buzzfeed news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, BigMcD said: ***** you guys are lame. Trump is making your entire country dumber! Says the guy whose country can't even keep good hockey players from leaving his country. Do you honestly think hockey players want to claim allegiance to a country whose prime minister's biggest accomplishment is dressing like all the Village People? Please. Worry about your own country. America is fine, with or without all the Canadians who come here for real opportunity and health care. 54 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I will read your sources and pick up the convo tomorrow - got side tracked with the buzzfeed news. Embarrassing evening for the left. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Says the guy whose country can't even keep good hockey players from leaving his country. Do you honestly think hockey players want to claim allegiance to a country whose prime minister's biggest accomplishment is dressing like all the Village People? Please. Worry about your own country. America is fine, with or without all the Canadians who come here for real opportunity and health care. Embarrassing evening for the left. Again. You are clueless! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, BigMcD said: You are clueless! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Look at that fat *****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Logic said: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/trump-human-rights-autopsy-reporthttps://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/united-stateshttps://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/421814-us-risks-human-rights-abuses-by-funding-border-wallhttps://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/trump-human-rights-and-hypocrisy/http://hrlr.law.columbia.edu/the-trump-human-rights-tracker/https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/withdraws-human-rights-council-180619173311272.html Above are six links from a variety of places, including Amnesty International, The Hill, The Seattle Times, and Columbia Law School's "Trump Human Rights Tracker". The second to last of these lists, among others, the following (and goes into further detail, if you click the link): - Ended Deferred Action for DACA program - Secretary of State lifted the human rights conditions on arms sales to Bahrain - Revoked protections for women in the workplace - Repealed a rule restricting coal companies from dumping mine waste into streams And as the Al Jazeera article discusses, the United States, under Trump's watch, withdrew from the Human Rights Council. As the above links detail, there have been a litany of human and civil rights abuses under Trump. Instead of immediately insulting me, feel free to click through the links and read the things that I'm reading that make me say that Trump is a human and civil rights NIGHTMARE. And before anyone comes back with "none of those are worse than human trafficking!": I NEVER SAID THEY WERE! NOT ONCE! I only said that to selectively be outraged about one (admittedly horrendous and important) thing while conveniently ignoring many OTHER horrendous and important issues (ranging from environmental destruction that will have far-reaching impact on many American citizens to civil rights abuses against immigrant and LGBTQ populations) was hypocritical. That's all. To keep claiming that I dismiss or don't recognize the importance of the human trafficking issue -- or that my dislike for Trump's wall plan means that I don't recognize the seriousness of said issue -- is just dishonest. These basically amount to 6 op-eds and the write up for the back page of the Columbia law school year book. One of the central themes of the op-eds is they are dishonest. There is a legitimate concern about the socioeconomic impact of illegal immigration and it's something that has been discussed for decades. It's fundamentally dishonest to suggest there is an assault on immigration when there simply is not. You have to take yourself seriously to be taken serious here. I agree with you that the Trump border plan and the negotiations with the House is not the only solution to the crisis. Another president, let's call her Hillary, well she might have had a different plan. But, she overslept on Election Day and went away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Knock knock. Who's there? Secret Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) On 1/17/2019 at 8:55 AM, SoCoBills said: if Trump gets his way at this could set an extremely dangerous precident. I agree with this 110%, no, make that 210%. I don't really care if they build a wall of not. I can see both sides of the argument. But what I do care about is setting a new precedent and normal that when the President wants to fulfill a campaign promise, instead of working with Congress as he/she should, they can hold private citizens' pay checks hostage until Congress caves in and gives it to them. If it works, it will be used again by either Trump and/or the next president. Imagine that Joe Biden (picking a name out out the proverbial hat) wins and his campaign promise is "Mr. Trump, tear down this wall". Then he refuses to sign any funding extension until he gets it. Don't think he won't. It worked for Trump and now it's payback time. How will you shutdown enthusiasts feel about it then? Would be nice if after this is all over Congress can come up with a legislative solution to this going to the President hat in hand for more money at least once a year. Probably won't though. I think they like it. Great political theater in their never ending pursuit of the next election and more money and more power. That's what this is all about IMHO. Edited January 19, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 9 hours ago, BigMcD said: Look at that fat *****! I’m more disgusted by the socialist who’s selling his country out to Muslims. Enjoy your caliphate, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 we have a TV at work that displays headlines as well as weather another company information... It's due at service but it's said "Nancy Pelosi cancels trip to visit troops overseas due to shutdown." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I agree with this 110%, no, make that 210%. I don't really care if they build a wall of not. I can see both sides of the argument. But what I do care about is setting a new precedent and normal that when the President wants to fulfill a campaign promise, instead of working with Congress as he/she should, they can hold private citizens' pay checks hostage until Congress caves in and gives it to them. If it works, it will be used again by either Trump and/or the next president. Imagine that Joe Biden (picking a name out out the proverbial hat) wins and his campaign promise is "Mr. Trump, tear down this wall". Then he refuses to sign any funding extension until he gets it. Don't think he won't. It worked for Trump and now it's payback time. How will you shutdown enthusiasts feel about it then? Would be nice if after this is all over Congress can come up with a legislative solution to this going to the President hat in hand for more money at least once a year. Probably won't though. I think they like it. Great political theater in their never ending pursuit of the next election and more money and more power. That's what this is all about IMHO. The Left has given lip service to border security for years. They vote for a wall but refuse to actually appropriate money. We had a verbal agreement a year ago that would have fully funded the wall. The dems backed away when a ***** federal judge took Trump's leverage away. We had a compromise bill prior to 1-3-19 that would have gotten Trump's signature except Schumer blocked it in the Senate. People who have voted for border security in the past are now refusing to go along with it solely because of dem leadership (actually lack of leadership). Why are we at the place where we are at today? It's simple. The dems want to deny Trump a campaign promise in order to weaken him in 2020. It isn't just about a campaign promise with Trump. He knows about the tragedies happening there every day. Little girls and little boys are being smuggled and sold into a life of getting *****. Drugs are entering into our country by the truckload. Illegal aliens are not being vetted. We could have terrorists, diseased people or hardened criminals (including MS-13) coming in here. You say that this shutdown will set a precedent. That's just a silly canard. One side or the other will always get blamed for a shutdown but both sides are responsible for this shutdown. That's true with any shutdown for any reason. The public will eventually decide who they think was right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: I’m more disgusted by the socialist who’s selling his country out to Muslims. Enjoy your caliphate, eh. They are coming over the border to get you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I agree with this 110%, no, make that 210%. I don't really care if they build a wall of not. I can see both sides of the argument. But what I do care about is setting a new precedent and normal that when the President wants to fulfill a campaign promise, instead of working with Congress as he/she should, they can hold private citizens' pay checks hostage until Congress caves in and gives it to them. If it works, it will be used again by either Trump and/or the next president. Imagine that Joe Biden (picking a name out out the proverbial hat) wins and his campaign promise is "Mr. Trump, tear down this wall". Then he refuses to sign any funding extension until he gets it. Don't think he won't. It worked for Trump and now it's payback time. How will you shutdown enthusiasts feel about it then? Would be nice if after this is all over Congress can come up with a legislative solution to this going to the President hat in hand for more money at least once a year. Probably won't though. I think they like it. Great political theater in their never ending pursuit of the next election and more money and more power. That's what this is all about IMHO. Sensible approach in 1974. Sensible approach if this issue hasn't been booted down the road with promises of "Let's do my thing and catch up later!"for decades. Sensible approach if all players were honest brokers. Besides, the duly elected President should fight like hell to implement the programs he promised to implement. And, as a business owner, it would be nice now and again if there was a brief uptick in outrage from the public sector when onerous regulation and govt overreach directly impacted employees/employers of the private sector. Hell, the potential for financial ruin increased exponentially just due to the nys family leave act. time to resolve this one way or another. I'm sorry for people who are struggling, but that is hardly limited to federal employees on furlough with guaranteed income replacement when this is resolved. 27 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The Left has given lip service to border security for years. They vote for a wall but refuse to actually appropriate money. We had a verbal agreement a year ago that would have fully funded the wall. The dems backed away when a ***** federal judge took Trump's leverage away. We had a compromise bill prior to 1-3-19 that would have gotten Trump's signature except Schumer blocked it in the Senate. People who have voted for border security in the past are now refusing to go along with it solely because of dem leadership (actually lack of leadership). Why are we at the place where we are at today? It's simple. The dems want to deny Trump a campaign promise in order to weaken him in 2020. It isn't just about a campaign promise with Trump. He knows about the tragedies happening there every day. Little girls and little boys are being smuggled and sold into a life of getting *****. Drugs are entering into our country by the truckload. Illegal aliens are not being vetted. We could have terrorists, diseased people or hardened criminals (including MS-13) coming in here. You say that this shutdown will set a precedent. That's just a silly canard. One side or the other will always get blamed for a shutdown but both sides are responsible for this shutdown. That's true with any shutdown for any reason. The public will eventually decide who they think was right. This is a republican issue as well, and imo blood is on their hands as well. Where the :::: was John McCain, the great maverick, cutting deals or compromises on this for 4 decades? You needed a Trump to flush these people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Sensible approach in 1974. Sensible approach if this issue hasn't been booted down the road with promises of "Let's do my thing and catch up later!"for decades. Sensible approach if all players were honest brokers. Besides, the duly elected President should fight like hell to implement the programs he promised to implement. And, as a business owner, it would be nice now and again if there was a brief uptick in outrage from the public sector when onerous regulation and govt overreach directly impacted employees/employers of the private sector. Hell, the potential for financial ruin increased exponentially just due to the nys family leave act. time to resolve this one way or another. I'm sorry for people who are struggling, but that is hardly limited to federal employees on furlough with guaranteed income replacement when this is resolved. This is a republican issue as well, and imo blood is on their hands as well. Where the :::: was John McCain, the great maverick, cutting deals or compromises on this for 4 decades? You needed a Trump to flush these people out. Obviously republicans similar to the dead RINO John McCain have contributed to this crisis. It's time for the Trump backbone to encourage those on the Republican side to hold fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, BigMcD said: They are coming over the border to get you! They don’t need to jump a border. Liberals are basically importing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) ........................ ............ Edited January 19, 2019 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, B-Man said: ........................ Hey Donald! How’s the wall coming along? Just waiting on the check in the mail are yah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Expect a jump in these numbers when Trump offers (again) a deal on DACA for the wall and the democrat leadership balks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Expect a jump in these numbers when Trump offers (again) a deal on DACA for the wall and the democrat leadership balks. You reckon this is what the 4:00 announcement is/could be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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