PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, Success said: There really is no excuse for the missed call. It’s not like a missed holding call where the ref has a bunch of things to have to monitor. I hope the shoe is on the other foot one of these days. Tough trying to beat a superior team AND the officials, twice a year. Again what missed call? He was called for a personal foul and was half the distance to the goal. Are you upset because the called it for blocking after calling for a fair catch instead of for helmet to helmet? No matter which one they called it’s the same result. Was it a dumb dumb move? Yes was he penalized for it? Yes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, PatsFanNH said: Again what missed call? He was called for a personal foul and was half the distance to the goal. Are you upset because the called it for blocking after calling for a fair catch instead of for helmet to helmet? No matter which one they called it’s the same result. Was it a dumb dumb move? Yes was he penalized for it? Yes.. There is a targeting rule in the NFL now..and this was targeting plain and simple. Calls for an ejection..unless you are a Pat and then the NFL will applaud your extra effort. Learn the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Again what missed call? He was called for a personal foul and was half the distance to the goal. Are you upset because the called it for blocking after calling for a fair catch instead of for helmet to helmet? No matter which one they called it’s the same result. Was it a dumb dumb move? Yes was he penalized for it? Yes.. It absolutely should have been helmet to helmet. You talk like we’re splitting hairs. It’s a big difference, and it was blatant and looked intentional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, ctk232 said: It's not that they ignored it, it's that we believe they ignored the severity of the hit. In real time it may not look it, but clearly Edelman calls for the fair catch, abandons the catch and literally launches into Pitts leading with his helmet, hitting Pitts straight in the facemask. Regardless of whether he was trying for the helmet or not, it's highly suspect a more severe penalty wasn't levied. A personal foul is a personal foul. (15 yards) The same penalty be levied no matter what the reason was given. As you said in real speed it want obvious to the naked eye so they could very well have missed the helmet to helmet. Now they could have called both, but the NFL dispite what it says doesn’t want that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, PatsFanNH said: A personal foul is a personal foul. (15 yards) The same penalty be levied no matter what the reason was given. As you said in real speed it want obvious to the naked eye so they could very well have missed the helmet to helmet. Now they could have called both, but the NFL dispite what it says doesn’t want that! targeting rule carries an ejection now if egregious..this was egregious. Second time in 3 games a scumbag Pat has a disturbing dirty play against a Bill..but its the Patriot way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: There is a targeting rule in the NFL now..and this was targeting plain and simple. Calls for an ejection..unless you are a Pat and then the NFL will applaud your extra effort. Learn the rules How many NFL Players have been kicked out so far for said rule? I googled it and it didn’t give me any number so I’m really asking. I’ve seen it called and a 15 yard penalty and all but I have not seen an ejection yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: A personal foul is a personal foul. (15 yards) The same penalty be levied no matter what the reason was given. As you said in real speed it want obvious to the naked eye so they could very well have missed the helmet to helmet. Now they could have called both, but the NFL dispite what it says doesn’t want that! Just providing perspective - they may have missed it in real time, but they get paid not to. Either way, many feel here that this gets called and handled very differently if it were a Bills player who chose to call off a fair catch and headbutt another guy for literally no reason whatsoever. Also known as targeting and is a heavier penalty than what was called. Edited October 31, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: targeting rule carries an ejection now if egregious..this was egregious. Second time in 3 games a scumbag Pat has a disturbing dirty play against a Bill..but its the Patriot way!!! In real time (which is the only time that matters) it didn’t look that way at all. Now your expecting refs, who are bad at their job anyways, to somehow slow it down m and see it? 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: Just providing perspective - they may have missed it in real time, but they get paid not to. Either way, many feel here that this gets called and handled very differently if it were a Bills player who chose to call off a fair catch and headbutt another guy for literally no reason whatsoever. Also known as targeting and is a heavier penalty than what was called. Actually it’s the same penalty.. it’s 15 yards or half the distance to the goal. Only difference is they COULD eject him... I have yet to see an ejection but they could do that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Actually it’s the same penalty.. it’s 15 yards or half the distance to the goal. Only difference is they COULD eject him... I have yet to see an ejection but they could do that.. Right, and to the perspective of this thread it's believed he deserved an ejection for it, but it wasn't called. Not disagreeing with your points, but given the divisional rivalry, Gronk's garbage on Tre last year, Edelman having a rep as a dirty player, and Brady can literally never do wrong and argue his way into or out of any call (and even has his own rule), you're barking up the wrong logic tree on this board. Edited October 31, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, PatsFanNH said: In real time (which is the only time that matters) it didn’t look that way at all. Now your expecting refs, who are bad at their job anyways, to somehow slow it down m and see it? as I said I was at the game and did not see the play..but seems pretty freaking obvious when I watched the replay last night..way before I saw this thread. Supoosed they had a hard time seeing Gronks hit last year too..I mean it was only after play being dead for two seconds..who can judge that??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Right, and to the perspective of this thread it's believed he deserved an ejection for it, but it wasn't called. Not disagreeing with your points, but given the divisional rivalry, Gronk's garbage on Tre last year, Edelman having a rep as a dirty player, and Brady can literally never do wrong and argue his way into or out of any call (and even has his own rule), you're barking up the wrong logic tree on this board. Lol I understand I am just hoping someone can find out if anyone ever been kicked out via that rule? I suspect if anyone would be it be Burfect over in Baltimore. But I can’t find any data via google for it. and just so it’s out there again Gronks hit was bush league and he should have gotten a minimum of 2 games for that and a huge fine for like 4 game checks.. 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: as I said I was at the game and did not see the play..but seems pretty freaking obvious when I watched the replay last night..way before I saw this thread. Supoosed they had a hard time seeing Gronks hit last year too..I mean it was only after play being dead for two seconds..who can judge that??? To me it was obvious in slow motion.. in real speed it looked like their heads hit accidentally during the collision.. Also I need someone provide an example or two when they have ejected anyone using this rule yet.. see my response above in regards to gronk lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: How did they ignore it? He got called for a personal foul for it?? Not sure what else you expected to happen by the refs. unlike Gronk who did his idiocy way after the play was done, Edelman was during the play and seeing as both their heads knocked together I don’t BELIEVE he was trying for helmet to helmet.. but again it was called. Edelman purposely lowered his head and speared. He should have been ejected. Quote — What are the ejection and suspension standards for the use of helmet rule? Ejection standards for the use of helmet rule are as follows: 1. Player lowers his helmet to establish a linear body posture prior to initiating and making contact with the helmet. ... 2. Unobstructed path to his opponent. ... 3. Contact clearly avoidable and player delivering the blow had other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Again what missed call? He was called for a personal foul and was half the distance to the goal. Are you upset because the called it for blocking after calling for a fair catch instead of for helmet to helmet? No matter which one they called it’s the same result. Was it a dumb dumb move? Yes was he penalized for it? Yes.. don't let facts get in the way of their petty bitterness and hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: How did they ignore it? He got called for a personal foul for it?? Not sure what else you expected to happen by the refs. unlike Gronk who did his idiocy way after the play was done, Edelman was during the play and seeing as both their heads knocked together I don’t BELIEVE he was trying for helmet to helmet.. but again it was called. You're an idiot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: don't let facts get in the way of their petty bitterness and hate Not sure what’s worse. A Pats fan on a Bills board lamely trying to defend a blatantly missed call on a cheap shot by Edelman, or a Bills fan actually defending that lame defense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: How did they ignore it? He got called for a personal foul for it?? Not sure what else you expected to happen by the refs. unlike Gronk who did his idiocy way after the play was done, Edelman was during the play and seeing as both their heads knocked together I don’t BELIEVE he was trying for helmet to helmet.. but again it was called. Oh this is adorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Sounds like the roids are still flowing through his system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lol I understand I am just hoping someone can find out if anyone ever been kicked out via that rule? I suspect if anyone would be it be Burfect over in Baltimore. But I can’t find any data via google for it. and just so it’s out there again Gronks hit was bush league and he should have gotten a minimum of 2 games for that and a huge fine for like 4 game checks.. To me it was obvious in slow motion.. in real speed it looked like their heads hit accidentally during the collision.. Also I need someone provide an example or two when they have ejected anyone using this rule yet.. see my response above in regards to gronk lol.. At least two players have been ejected that I know of. One was the Colts safety. I believe he was the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lol I understand I am just hoping someone can find out if anyone ever been kicked out via that rule? I suspect if anyone would be it be Burfect over in Baltimore. But I can’t find any data via google for it. and just so it’s out there again Gronks hit was bush league and he should have gotten a minimum of 2 games for that and a huge fine for like 4 game checks.. Burfict was the first I thought, too. I think Shamarko Thomas was the first to be ejected this past August, but all I can find was "helmet-to-helmet" making a tackle: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2018/08/10/shamarko-thomas-becomes-first-nfl-player-ejected-helmet-rule/954522002/ Don't particularly care for SBNation, but: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/17492612/ncaa-targeting-rule-nfl-comparison Nice comparison of the NCAA/NFL rule on targeting, but as far as I can tell it's "lower the helmet to initiate and make contact with an opponents helmet" and they removed the language stating "if the action was flagrant" in terms of assessing ejection vs. violation. Idk, imo I do think Edelman's was "flagrant" enough, even though that phrase was removed from the rules, to warrant ejection in this case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Success said: Not sure what’s worse. A Pats fan on a Bills board lamely trying to defend a blatantly missed call on a cheap shot by Edelman, or a Bills fan actually defending that lame defense. Bills fans lamenting about a guy not being ejected when that part of the rule has never been enforced yet. (Or at least it isn’t able be googled) I never once said he didn’t deserve to get the penalty! I have consistently said the penalty would be the same. They are not going kick out a star player in a close game in the NFL EVER!! It will be some no name or person like Burfect that everyone hates. (Also outside of Buffalo (and obviously NE) Edelman considered a little punk but not dirty.. ) 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: Burfict was the first I thought, too. I think Shamarko Thomas was the first to be ejected this past August, but all I can find was "helmet-to-helmet" making a tackle: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2018/08/10/shamarko-thomas-becomes-first-nfl-player-ejected-helmet-rule/954522002/ Don't particularly care for SBNation, but: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/17492612/ncaa-targeting-rule-nfl-comparison Nice comparison of the NCAA/NFL rule on targeting, but as far as I can tell it's "lower the helmet to initiate and make contact with an opponents helmet" and they removed the language stating "if the action was flagrant" in terms of assessing ejection vs. violation. Idk, imo I do think Edelman's was "flagrant" enough, even though that phrase was removed from the rules, to warrant ejection in this case. Awesome! So was a no name player in preseason... I just don’t think the NFL wants it called on a star player in a tight game. I also think the refs missed it. (They missed a lot Monday night). Be interesting see if he gets a fine or not. Again i I am not saying he shouldn’t be penalized for it, I just think IMO expecting an ejection was reasonable. The evidence proves they don’t do that YET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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