Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[LSHMEAB]

33 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Consider why that particular deduction is in place:

 

American population growth is cratering, as it is in most of the First World, and our social safety net is a gigantic Ponzi scheme requiring more and more new births (future tax payers) to support a top heavy, aging population.  Which is why the establishment elite is so keen on importing a large population from our third world neighbors, and giving them citizenship.  It a) keeps them in power, and b) staves off wide scale government collapse during their tenure by kicking the can down the road.

 

The child tax credit is social engineering designed to prop up the long term health of Social Security.

I get it. We need more young people paying into the system, not COLLECTING that SS check.

 

I would have to say that neither party wants to touch SS, so I'm not sure this is a partisan issue. The third world country folks, if true, is definitely partisan because Dems "generally" get these votes.

 

Seems to me there are enough people here and social engineering to create MORE citizens is back a##wards. We don't need to go the China route, but if what you say is the objective, I don't like it. 

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

@GG talking about taxes as if that is how the budget is funded is INSANE delusional or incompetent....since 1992 borrowing funds the fascist corporations economy and many wealthy don't pay any taxes besides the criminal economy which is cash or barter such as drugs for prostitution.....talking as if Congress and the fed are annual deliberations resulting in a budget is AGAIN fake news lies being spewed upon here by brainwashed people unwilling to speak plainly and accurately....bankster gangster zionist genocidal monsters run USA and the world polluter oil war crime profiteering scams in 160 countries since 2007 stealing TRAINLOADS OF money not audited and USA borrows many billion$ just to pay interest upon 22 billion owed to bond holders since 1965 stealing Social Security Trust Funds for General Budget outlays....voting for any Democrat or Republican is a vote for more of the same it is neither liberal nor conservative it is FACIST THEFT by printing money and making coins out of cheap metals not worth the face value of the money....vote for honest truthful government WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs 

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

@LSHMEAB your so called ponzi scheme is less than 43% of the official USA budget 57%+ is war crime costs including Veterans costs....TrumpOLINI plans to borrow 3 trillion this year days after the November election and that is the opposite of a ponzi scheme it is not a pretend investment which pays dividends....it is fraud to murder globally while corporations get rich from it all

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

@GG talking about taxes as if that is how the budget is funded is INSANE delusional or incompetent....since 1992 borrowing funds the fascist corporations economy and many wealthy don't pay any taxes besides the criminal economy which is cash or barter such as drugs for prostitution.....talking as if Congress and the fed are annual deliberations resulting in a budget is AGAIN fake news lies being spewed upon here by brainwashed people unwilling to speak plainly and accurately....bankster gangster zionist genocidal monsters run USA and the world polluter oil war crime profiteering scams in 160 countries since 2007 stealing TRAINLOADS OF money not audited and USA borrows many billion$ just to pay interest upon 22 billion owed to bond holders since 1965 stealing Social Security Trust Funds for General Budget outlays....voting for any Democrat or Republican is a vote for more of the same it is neither liberal nor conservative it is FACIST THEFT by printing money and making coins out of cheap metals not worth the face value of the money....vote for honest truthful government WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs 

Ok. I'm not the type of guy who believes in omnipotent cabals, illuminati's, new world orders, birtherism, Russian Collusion, (interference has been proven), Sandy Hook nonsense, 9/11 "truthers." Any of it. I personally think people give far too much credit to the "powers that be."

 

It matters not whether these theories emanate from the left side of the aisle or the right.

 

Maybe some of these things are true. I don't know. Nor do you or anyone else on this board, and I say that respectfully. 

 

I view these THEORIES much the same way I view God; until someone can PROVE a positive, I'm going to believe a negative. But that's just me.

[Doc Brown]

19 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Who knows if it is true, it is a Bloomberg internal poll trying to help... Bloomberg (or at least make sure Bernie is not  the nominee).  However, it is nothing except what realistic people have been saying for a while now, so probably at least a smidgen of true.
 

Bloomberg internal poll claims Bernie would sink downballot Dems
 

Mike Bloomberg's campaign is shopping an internal survey that shows the liberal Vermont senator could be a millstone around the necks of vulnerable House Democrats.
 

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The poll of voters in more than 40 battleground House districts currently held by Democrats — conducted by Global Strategy Group for the Bloomberg campaign and obtained by POLITICO from two sources — found that Sanders is less popular than Trump and loses significant support when hit for holding socialist positions. Sanders is a self-described Democratic socialist, a distinction that his opponents are starting to draw more frequently in the days following the Vermont senator’s dominance in Nevada. His agenda of "Medicare for All," the "Green New Deal" and guaranteed tuition and debt-free public colleges has rankled more establishment members of the party.
 

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It's all about turnout like usual for Dems as far as down ballot races go.  Can his popularity with young people and Independents who usually don't vote where policies like marijuana legalization, medicare for all, and college debt relief are popular turn out more people at a higher rate of more moderate democratic voters he may lose?    It remains to be seen if he is the nominee.  Nobody really knows until election day unfortunately.  

 

 

5 hours ago, GG said:

 

But that's what I mean when I say he isn't honest.  Taxes on the middle class would go up by way more than 4%, and he's being dishonest about it.

 

He refuses to provide any detail on the funding for Medicare for all, but it's easy to see how he plans to implement it by hearing what else he says about his plan.  

 

Essentially he wants to eliminate all private insurance and replace all the premiums companies and individuals pay for health insurance with a health tax.  Because most of these premiums are paid by employers, he can claim that taxes on individuals will only go up by a little, because the big part of the health tax will be paid by employers.   The trouble with the plan is that you are replacing a voluntary $12k premium payment by companies with a compulsory $12k tax per head.  Realistically, the tax would be higher because you would need to cover the costs of the unemployed.  This scheme could work with large employers;oyers, but would be more painful for smaller employers, whose participation will be necessary to provide universal coverage.

You really think Democrats in Congress would allow that?  At best he somehow gets a public option through.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Doc Brown

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Super Tuesday less than a week away and I'm afraid to turn on the TV.  In a single commercial break yesterday I saw ads for Bernie, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Warran

 

A week or so ago I was watching a gun related video on Youtube and they showed a Bloomberg ad.

 

[Taro T]

On 2/25/2020 at 10:16 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

(They're all pretty good)

 

The best parts are the comments accusing her of being an anti-Semite for calling Bernie cheap but totally neglecting that she said Bloomberg paid for all the meals in the restaurant on that date.  How DARE she stereotype all Jews as being cheap.

[KRC]

11 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

BUT, there are folks who are just not "good at life." Some would like to label ALL of them as lazy, etc. That's fine. Some probably are. But many of them are simply not gifted. So the question becomes; do you want to directly help these people or go with a Darwinian approach in which they're twisting in the mind. I would prefer a social safety net that provides them some scraps. They're not gonna life well, but at least they'll have some scraps. Some hold the view that they either sink or swim on their own merit. It's a valid, although somewhat heartless position. 

 

So how do you directly help these people? That's a tough question, but I think it's worth exploring. You could take the approach of slashing all social programs, which is where this thing is headed given the deficit. That's one approach. I'd rather find a reasonable solution that involves government intervention.

 

Cut off their scraps, and they'll probably end up in prison. Know why? Because they probably suck at crime too. "Good" criminals don't end up in prison. The notion of profiteering from incarceration personally sickens me.

 

IMO, this is where conservatives (not Republicans) differ with liberals (not Democrats). Liberals want to see the government take control of this issue. Conservatives want to see the private sector take control. Arguments can be made on both sides. However, my personal opinion is that it should be handled in the private sector. The government has proven that they are incapable of being efficient with my money. There is not one single program that is efficiently run. Money just goes down a black hole. Granted, there are private companies and charities that are the same, but I have a choice on where I donate my money. I can see the ineffective charities that are bloated with executive pay and other bureaucratic nonsense and can funnel my money where it would do the most good.

 

If we were to have a government solution, it should be pushed to the closest government to the actual problem. Therefore, local governments should be responsible for taking care of local residents. By the time the fed has taken their cut to pay for the bureaucracy, then the state takes their cut to pay for the bureaucracy, there is not much left on the local level to actually implement it. Keep it local and let the locals determine where the money is needed the most.

 

Just my $0.02.

[GG]

10 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

The best parts are the comments accusing her of being an anti-Semite for calling Bernie cheap but totally neglecting that she said Bloomberg paid for all the meals in the restaurant on that date.  How DARE she stereotype all Jews as being cheap.

 

The beautiful part about anti anti-Semitism is that it can fit every situation.

[KRC]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You really think Democrats in Congress would allow that?  At best he somehow gets a public option through.

 

They would first "roll back the Trump tax cuts." You know, because that is not a tax increase. It is taking back what is rightfully the governments. Then, just a "smaller" increase in taxes, because "how can you possibly be against the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, Free College tuition, Student Loan Forgiveness, etc. you cold-hearted bastard?"

[Taro T]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's all about turnout like usual for Dems as far as down ballot races go.  Can his popularity with young people and Independents who usually don't vote where policies like marijuana legalization, medicare for all, and college debt relief are popular turn out more people at a higher rate of more moderate democratic voters he may lose?    It remains to be seen if he is the nominee.  Nobody really knows until election day unfortunately.  

 

You really think Democrats in Congress would allow that? At best he somehow gets a public option through.

 

Absolutely.  As KRC stated, they'll frame it as simply rolling back prior tax cuts, but they'd definitely try to raise taxes significantly more than that.

[B-Man]

 

 

CHOOSE THE FORM OF YOUR DESTRUCTOR: 

 

Betting odds show Sanders winning 13 of 14 Super Tuesday races.

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

THE DEMOCRATS’ BERNIE DILEMMA:   He Exposes Their True Character.

 

 

 

 

Take that, Trump! Elizabeth Warren unveils bold plan to combat potential coronavirus pandemic with… more open borders?

 

 

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[B-Man]

"Interviews with dozens of Democratic Party officials, including 93 superdelegates, found overwhelming opposition to handing Mr. Sanders the nomination if he fell short of a majority of delegates."

 

The NYT got the interviews and reports:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, KRC said:

 

Liberals want to see the government take control of this issue. Conservatives want to see the private sector take control.

 

What you're discussing, in my mind, is the single biggest difference between Conservatives and Liberals; self-accountability vs. victimhood.

 

 

The left has done an amazing job pushing entitlement. This frustrates people like myself who came up from being dealt a bad hand. A lot of people helped me along my path, but they wouldn't have helped if they didn't realize I was trying to change my trajectory.

 

It makes me crazy listening to lazy, entitled chuckleheads insist health care is a right, or that it's not their fault they borrowed a $150K to get a useless degree. There is simply NO excuse in this country for not carving out a successful life for yourself. It doesn't matter what hole you fell down, virtually everyone can better their lives by turning their back on victimhood, turning their back on the idea that the rich should cover their meal ticket, and ask what resources are available to them to build a career.

 

Unfortunately, the left figured out the way to stay in power: control the school curriculum. They did it, and here we are...with a communist about to run for president.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

….UNBELIEVABLE...the "Jim Jones Gang"...………..

 

3 in 4 Democrats would support a socialist for president: poll

By Adam Shaw | Fox News

 

As the Democratic Party primary field lurches to the left on a number of policy issues, it is being reflected among Democratic voters -- with three in four Democrats saying they would back a socialist for president, according to a new poll released this month.

The Gallup poll found that 76 percent of Democratic voters would vote for a socialist. Only 17 percent of Republicans say they would vote for a socialist, and 45 percent of independents would vote for one.

The poll comes amid the rise of self-described “democratic socialist” Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the Democratic presidential primary race. The far-left candidate tied with the more moderate former South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg in Iowa, and won the New Hampshire primary and Nevada caucuses -- boosting him into front-runner status.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/3-in-4-dems-would-support-a-socialist-for-president-poll

 

 

 

[Golden Goat]

 

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, KRC said:

 

IMO, this is where conservatives (not Republicans) differ with liberals (not Democrats). Liberals want to see the government take control of this issue. Conservatives want to see the private sector take control. Arguments can be made on both sides. However, my personal opinion is that it should be handled in the private sector. The government has proven that they are incapable of being efficient with my money. There is not one single program that is efficiently run. Money just goes down a black hole. Granted, there are private companies and charities that are the same, but I have a choice on where I donate my money. I can see the ineffective charities that are bloated with executive pay and other bureaucratic nonsense and can funnel my money where it would do the most good.

 

If we were to have a government solution, it should be pushed to the closest government to the actual problem. Therefore, local governments should be responsible for taking care of local residents. By the time the fed has taken their cut to pay for the bureaucracy, then the state takes their cut to pay for the bureaucracy, there is not much left on the local level to actually implement it. Keep it local and let the locals determine where the money is needed the most.

 

Just my $0.02.

Appreciate those $0.02 and the fact that we're having conversations about issues as opposed to Palace intrigue.