NFL Power Rankings week 8 - A few laughs (updated)

[DuckyBoys]

Well Bills are 2-3 having played teams ranked 10,11,13,14,15  They get two road games then will have 6 of the last 9 at home.  If they pull out one of the next two road games were headed for another 7 or 8 win season somehow. Ranking is probably where it should be though you can make a strong case for the Bucs, Giants, Colts, Cowgirls, Lions, Texans, Falcons are all in the same boat.  Falcons have zero defense and the coach sucks. Somehow I don't see the wheels falling off and us getting to only 4 wins to get a top 5 pick

[BarleyNY]

14 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

They are a decent kicker and ridiculous official reversal from being 4-1.

 

Likely 5-0 had they started Mayfield from the start of the season.  Coaching mistakes have hurt them too though. 

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Well Bills are 2-3 having played teams ranked 10,11,13,14,15  They get two road games then will have 6 of the last 9 at home.  If they pull out one of the next two road games were headed for another 7 or 8 win season somehow. Ranking is probably where it should be though you can make a strong case for the Bucs, Giants, Colts, Cowgirls, Lions, Texans, Falcons are all in the same boat.  Falcons have zero defense and the coach sucks. Somehow I don't see the wheels falling off and us getting to only 4 wins to get a top 5 pick

The Bills will be fighting for a wildcard spot again, I think.

 

Can't wait to see what this roster looks like after FA/draft next year

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Likely 5-0 had they started Mayfield from the start of the season.  Coaching mistakes have hurt them too though. 

Or if their kicker could kick, even.

[BananaB]

Where does Philly rank? We have the same record and we beat two teams they lost to.

[RiotAct]

49 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Cleveland is a quality coaching staff away from being a very, very good football team. Once Hue Jackson and Gregggg are canned and replaced they’ll be a playoff team.  It won’t happen this season but look for it next. Mayfield is the real deal and they’ve got some real talent on their defense.  Garrett and Ward will be their cornerstones for years to come. 

well, it depends on who they’re replaced with.  It’s not like good NFL coaches are abundantly available 

[iinii]

3 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Where does Philly rank? We have the same record and we beat two teams they lost to.

The Vikings were a tale of two teams. If that game was played again Vegas would still have them favored and they probably win. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

NFL.com is slightly better (this week) 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000972240/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-6-saints-enter-top-three-eagles-dip

 

BROWNS 16
Previous rank: No. 23 

Said before in this space that, turnovers be damned, Baker Mayfield makes the Browns exciting to watch. Witness the key down in overtime: On third-and-long, the kid phenom evades the Ravens rush, steps back from a collapsing pocket a la Drew Brees and calmly hits Derrick Willies (who?) over the middle for a 39-yard gain. Willies, an undrafted free agent, made the first three catches of his pro career Sunday, with none larger than his catch-and-run in the extra period to set up the game-winning kick. He made the club playing special teams (for the first time). Amazing what opportunities a trade can open up -- and not just for the Patriots.

 

Bills 28

Previous rank: No. 32 

Huge win for the Bills, who once again rode an opportunistic defense and another sweet Josh Allen scamper to victory. Once again, Allen couldn't throw a lick (82 yards ... total), but benefitted from field position and tough yards from his RBs to set up "Hausch Money" for the game winner. Nobody wanted a piece of Chris Ivory on that final drive. Actually, though, the real stars of this AFC upset resided in Sean McDermott's defense, which allowed a scant 221 total yards while forcing turnovers and suffocating a Tennessee attack that made hay against the Eagles two Sundays ago. Not this past Sunday.

 

Colts 29 

Previous rank: No. 27 

Swathed in the rush of the enemy, Capt. Andrew Luck repeatedly called upon his sidearm, unloading into the Patriots' lines, steady and true. Melancholy befell him, as his brethren floundered to furnish reinforcements nigh the engagement's creep. The good captain ne'er withdrew, surging forward with platoon long after the engagement had been ordained. Valor aplomb. It is said the captain of the opposition's field units was of an age to be out farming, perhaps tending his flock. Not on Thursday's eve. Alas, Capt. Luck was bested. (Sorry, I often get inspired by preferred Twitter accounts.)

Edited October 9, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

well, it depends on who they’re replaced with.  It’s not like good NFL coaches are abundantly available 

 

Absolutely correct. I think Dorsey makes a good selection though. Todd Haley (current Browns OC as of this season) is a possibility.  You’d have to think that longtime Saints OC Pete Carmichael would get a look due to his success and the similarities between Brees and Mayfield. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

40 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Where does Philly rank? We have the same record and we beat two teams they lost to.

9. Philadelphia Eagles

Record: 2-3
Week 5 ranking: 6

Rest-of-season SOS ranking: 6th. The Eagles' toughest remaining game, according to FPI, comes in Week 15 when they travel to Los Angeles to play the Rams. FPI gives the Eagles a 20 percent chance to win, and it is part of a stretch in which the Eagles are not favored to win three of four games. -- Shah

per ESPN

[Paulus]

Each week should merit a new thread,as it gets stupid trying to dig through past posts. So stupid and time wasting, I don't even bother, and I'm sure I'm not alone...

36 minutes ago, iinii said:

The Vikings were a tale of two teams. If that game was played again Vegas would still have them favored and they probably win. 

And, the Bills were a completely different team when they faced the Vikes... Sword cuts two ways. And, Vegas has been wrong about the Bills plenty, this year. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Each week should merit a new thread,as it gets stupid trying to dig through past posts. So stupid and time wasting, I don't even bother, and I'm sure I'm not alone...

And, the Bills were a completely different team when they faced the Vikes... Sword cuts two ways. And, Vegas has been wrong about the Bills plenty, this year. 

twice is really not plenty.

 

Vegas knows what it's doing.  Have the Bills even been favored this season?  I don't recall.  The Bills are dogs for a reason.   the points are set to sucker people in to earn the house $$$ 

[BarleyNY]

18 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Each week should merit a new thread,as it gets stupid trying to dig through past posts. So stupid and time wasting, I don't even bother, and I'm sure I'm not alone...

And, the Bills were a completely different team when they faced the Vikes... Sword cuts two ways. And, Vegas has been wrong about the Bills plenty, this year. 

 

Vegas isn’t going to change their minds much based on any single game. Consistency is needed to change public opinion - which is what’s important - because Vegas is much more concerned with keeping the money even on both sides than accuracy of betting lines, etc.  

Edited October 9, 2018 by BarleyNY

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Vegas isn’t going to change their minds much based on any single game. Consistency is needed.  Also they’re much more concerned with keeping the money even on both sides than accuracy of betting lines, etc.  

they just did because of the DW chest injury   Line is off the board

to wipe a -9 off the board ....... 

[BarleyNY]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

they just did because of the DW chest injury   Line is off the board

to wipe a -9 off the board ....... 

 

Damn

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Damn

shows you they are not out to lose.    9 with a healthy DW was one thing.   the swing was too much to absorb 

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

shows you they are not out to lose.    9 with a healthy DW was one thing.   the swing was too much to absorb 

 

Yeah. Could wind up with people playing both sides with a big swing too. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

shows you they are not out to lose.    9 with a healthy DW was one thing.   the swing was too much to absorb 

 

I get the same feeling every time I walk into a palatial casino. 

 

Either way, injury was during the game and he came back in and played, so I’m guessing he will be a GO Sunday 

[Paulus]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

twice is really not plenty.

 

Vegas knows what it's doing.  Have the Bills even been favored this season?  I don't recall.  The Bills are dogs for a reason.   the points are set to sucker people in to earn the house $$$ 

2 out of 5 times is plenty. Context Lives Matter!

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Vegas isn’t going to change their minds much based on any single game. Consistency is needed to change public opinion - which is what’s important - because Vegas is much more concerned with keeping the money even on both sides than accuracy of betting lines, etc.  

I really don't think Vegas know the Mcbeane's Bills that well. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Paulus said:

2 out of 5 times is plenty. Context Lives Matter!

I really don't think Vegas know the Mcbeane's Bills that well. 

I used to have a running bet with a friend on the Bills and the Vegas line.

 

Playing the point spread after 2 years

neither of us won more than a 1 or 2 games on the other.  

[iinii]

7 hours ago, Paulus said:

Each week should merit a new thread,as it gets stupid trying to dig through past posts. So stupid and time wasting, I don't even bother, and I'm sure I'm not alone...

And, the Bills were a completely different team when they faced the Vikes... Sword cuts two ways. And, Vegas has been wrong about the Bills plenty, this year. 

Opinions, everybody has one.......

for all the countless threads that go one way there are equal threads going the other way. Just because some don’t swallow the Koolaid doesn’t mean those that do have some moral high ground. 

Cheers

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

They're literally just stating which game the team has the lowest chance to win. The game in New England is a lower probability than the game in Buffalo; that's all they're saying.

So they change the narrative of  Power Rankings 

From 

What is

To

What they think or a computer Calculated? 

 

 

these are Weekly Rankings on how teams performed.  (or some media hack thinks based on performance)

Edited October 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

So they change the narrative of  Power Rankings 

From 

What is

To

What they think or a computer Calculated? 

 

 

these are Weekly Rankings on how teams performed.  (or some media hack thinks based on performance)

 

Power rankings have always been what they think. If you wanted to know “what is” you’d just look at the standings.

 

And the comment about which game a team is least likely to win has no real bearing on where they are ranked in the power rankings. It’s just a one-off comment about a difficult game on their schedule. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Power rankings have always been what they think. If you wanted to know “what is” you’d just look at the standings.

 

And the comment about which game a team is least likely to win has no real bearing on where they are ranked in the power rankings. It’s just a one-off comment about a difficult game on their schedule. 

I agree to whats in bold ... 

 

to base an analysis on SOS of future opponents is IMO not correct.     Again.  A few Laughs as I have in the title.  

 

Last season the Chargers were 0-4 then ripped off a bunch of wins and nearly made the WC 

KC in 2015  was also  HORRIBLE  @1-5  then ripped off 11 straight wins and  made the WC   and won a playoff game 

Edited October 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Paulus]

19 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I used to have a running bet with a friend on the Bills and the Vegas line.

 

Playing the point spread after 2 years

neither of us won more than a 1 or 2 games on the other.  

But, look how far off Vegas has been off with the spread when it comes to the Bills this year. I mean, I don't think anyone has been able to really guage the team, outside of a few fans.

 

 

I still think the BIlls are much the same team they were last year, and will be better than they were last year when we get to the last half of the season. I could be wrong, but that is what I think. 

Edited October 10, 2018 by Paulus

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I agree to whats in bold ... 

 

to base an analysis on SOS of future opponents is IMO not correct.     Again.  A few Laughs as I have in the title.  

 

Last season the Chargers were 0-4 then ripped off a bunch of wins and nearly made the WC 

KC in 2015  was also  HORRIBLE  @1-5  then ripped off 11 straight wins and  made the WC   and won a playoff game 

 

...certainly agree....changes from week to week......pre-season SOS is useless........injuries, benchings, cuts, trades, new signings/releases. PS promotions, etc.......how can there be any value in forecasts?......

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, Paulus said:

But, look how far off Vegas has been off with the spread when it comes to the Bills this year. I mean, I don't think anyone has been able to really guage the team, outside of a few fans.

 

I still think the BIlls are much the same team they were last year, and will be better than they were last year when we get to the last half of the season. I could be wrong, but that is what I think. 

It's not the spread per se'  its how they cash in!!!!!    the line varies depending on which way the bettors lean.  it changes to balance out their books.   

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...certainly agree....changes from week to week......pre-season SOS is useless........injuries, benchings, cuts, trades, new signings/releases. PS promotions, etc.......how can there be any value in forecasts?......

ding ding ding

 

they can't ...  Brady gets sidelined for a month or more ....  their model is shot. 

D Watson hurt  their model is shot.  Rodgers hurt, their model is shot. Mahomes comes down to earth, their model is shot.

[Paulus]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It's not the spread per se'  its how they cash in!!!!!    the line varies depending on which way the bettors lean.  it changes to balance out their books.   

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2018 by Paulus

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, Paulus said:

??????  

 

 

might be work PC vs mobile image viewing ....  was that the girl shaking her head?  

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

After last night... The Giants have to be one of the worst 4 teams 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This weeks LAUGH isn't about placement BUT what was said or what they didn't say

 

25. Cleveland Browns

Record: 2-4-1
Week 7 ranking: 22

Need more from: QB Baker Mayfield. The Browns rank 31st in completion percentage (55 percent) and have allowed the most sacks in the NFL (31), but don't put that on the offensive line. Cleveland's line has won its pass blocks by 2.5 seconds 62 percent of the time, the second-best rate in the NFL. -- Larson

 

27. New York Jets

Record: 3-4
Week 7 ranking: 25

Need more from: QB Sam Darnold. He might have been the No. 3 overall pick in this year's draft, but the Jets rank in the bottom three in the NFL in Total QBR (30th). New York also ranks 30th this year in completion percentage (56 percent) and interceptions per pass attempt (5 percent). -- Larson

 

29. Buffalo Bills

Record: 2-5
Week 7 ranking: 28

Need more from: C Russell Bodine. It would be easy to say Josh Allen, but Allen was hurt while throwing and Bodine has won his pass blocks by 2.5 seconds just 76 percent of the time, the worst rate among the Bills' regular offensive linemen. Bodine was moved into the starting lineup last month when the Bills benched Ryan Groy, and now it's time to step up. -- Larson

 

What about the QB that played the entire game in Indy?  Mr Anderson?

 

32. Arizona Cardinals

Record: 1-6
Week 7 ranking: 31

Need more from: RB David Johnson. It certainly isn't all Johnson's fault, but the Cardinals rank last in yards per rush and rushing yards per game -- with more than 20 fewer yards per game on the ground than any other team. Perhaps the dismissal of Mike McCoy as offensive coordinator and the elevation of Byron Leftwich to that position will help Johnson produce like he has in prior years. -- Schwartz

 

And because my prior post mentioned the Giants 

 

28. New York Giants

Record: 1-6
Week 7 ranking: 29

Need more from: LT Nate Solder. The Giants gave Solder $15.5 million per year this offseason, the highest APY of any offensive lineman in the league. New York hasn't gotten much return on investment. Coming into Week 7, Solder had held his block for at least 2.5 seconds on just 66 percent of dropbacks, the third-worst rate among OTs with at least 100 pass block snaps. -- Xie

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25055742/nfl-week-8-power-rankings-2018-players-need-step-all-32-teams

Edited October 23, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan