JPL7 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The reason why McBeane and the Pegula's can't just come out and say "Hey look fans and sponsors, we are going to sacrifice this season and take a step back in order to take 2 or 3 steps forward for the long-term future, so deal with it" is because so many dummies on here and in the media would lose their minds. It would be a shitshow, a dumpster fire. So unfortunately, that puts them in the position of having to teeter on this half in / half out gimmick. I have been saying this since last season... WHO CARES IF WE WIN A SINGLE GAME THIS ENTIRE SEASON??? What good does it do? It does nothing! The only thing as fans you should be caring about this season, is seeing JA17 develop and not get hurt. And that hopefully some of our young guys on the roster now will continue to develop and become pillar/foundational type players for a true super bowl caliber team in 2-3 years. Period. End of story! Write this season off. Let the complete rebuild begin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Adam727 said: Thank you for this post. This is my issue with the current regime. I can fully support tanking now to win later. But the way they keep/start/sign these 30+ year old players that won't be here by the time they rebuild is a complete waste of resources, cap space, & in game learning experience for younger players. Watkins/Glenn/Dareus/Darby/Ragland (whichever of these players you wanted to keep) are young enough to build around. Vontae Davis, Vlad Ducasse, Lesean McCoy, Chris Ivory etc are not. Be careful you are not supposed to question the Process or the FO. You will be chastised. I am already known as a negative dick here so will take that torch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: Great comments from Joe B. He does a great job putting things into perspective and has been echoing what many of us have been saying for a while. Read the comments in bold https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-buffalo-bills-los-angeles-chargers-9_16_18 No. The Bills aren't "sacrificing" anything. McDermott and Beane are building long term, but they clearly care about the now, too. We were 1-1 last year after 2 games in a playoff season, now we're 0-2 after 2 games and our last half of football looked like we started figuring something out. We're going to be the butt of a lot of jokes nationally for the next few weeks, but it's clear to me that the part of what Joe B says in the "they knew this was coming" are growing pains with a rookie QB of the offense and Defense... and now toss in McDermott relinquishing Frazier of playcalling duties for the defense. The team is learning and adjusting and trying to get better. And they will. We're going to win some games, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Ragland was no great loss. Ragland is starting at ILB for the 2-0 Chiefs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: No. The Bills aren't "sacrificing" anything. McDermott and Beane are building long term, but they clearly care about the now, too. We were 1-1 last year after 2 games in a playoff season, now we're 0-2 after 2 games and our last half of football looked like we started figuring something out. We're going to be the butt of a lot of jokes nationally for the next few weeks, but it's clear to me that the part of what Joe B says in the "they knew this was coming" are growing pains with a rookie QB of the offense and Defense... and now toss in McDermott relinquishing Frazier of playcalling duties for the defense. The team is learning and adjusting and trying to get better. And they will. We're going to win some games, folks. How many games are we going to win this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: Who cares how old he is? John Miller and Ryan Groy (who, without looking has gotta be as old as Ducasse, right?) are decidedly worse than him. So why single him out? Because the regime is apparently talking about this youth movemt growth thing as their latest after the fact excuse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Be careful you are not supposed to question the Process or the FO. You will be chastised. I am already known as a negative dick here so will take that torch That’s not because you question the process. It’s because you chose to ignore why they started the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: I didn't say I like him. But he isn't nearly as bad as Miller and Groy from literally every last account of people who watch and grade every play. So, again, why do people single him out? Look, I follow football as closely as anyone on the planet that doesn't rewatch games and grade offensive linemen on every play. All I can tell you (without rewatching) is whether the line is good or bad. It's obviously bad. Occasionally when they show a replay, I will look to see where the pressure came from. But anyone who watches a game (and follows the ball every play like everyone else) and then tries to tell me who was worse than other guys on the line is a PHONY. Period. There's always a whipping boy, this time it's Ducasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Because the regime is apparently talking about this youth movemt growth thing as their latest after the fact excuse Not an after the fact excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: That’s not because you question the process. It’s because you chose to ignore why they started the process. They seem to change the process at every whim so there is no telling what they are thinking or why they started it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: He’s worth more to them than he was to us. This seems to happen a lot. Chris Hogan. Dareus. Robert Woods. Deonte Thompson had a good night for Dallas. Darby. The Beast ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Ragland is starting at ILB for the 2-0 Chiefs I never understood why there was not a place on this team for him and some others . . . especially given that he was on a rookie contract and especially on a team that has such a hard time stopping the run. Darby is another guy. People like to say McCoach likes to play zone. Well, it is a hell of a lot easier for a man to man guy to play zone than the other way around. I am confident that Darby could do well in this defense . . . and, indeed, we really could use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Ragland is starting at ILB for the 2-0 Chiefs how is he doing for them, he was terrible for us.plus he didn't fit the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Batman1876 said: Not an after the fact excuse. Stay blind. Guess win now and win later went out the window with Playoff Caliber sometime before 47-3 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: They seem to change the process at every whim so there is no telling what they are thinking or why they started it I’ve seen 0 change in the overall process. What change have you seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: Not an after the fact excuse. We started hearing it after the historic and embarrassing loss last week. It is going to get downright ugly this year. If historically embarrassing losses are part of the process, God help us. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: how is he doing for them, he was terrible for us.plus he didn't fit the system. We sure could use a guy who can tackle and stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) So if this Propaganda is true. LT - Dawkins LG - Teller C - Groy RG - Ike RT - McDermott TE - Croom, Thomas that should be the starters on OL and TE right 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I’ve seen 0 change in the overall process. What change have you seen? What is the Overall Process Once it is defined I will tell you. This Process is no different than a Politician with no public agenda Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Peter said: I never understood why there was not a place on this team for him and some others . . . especially given that he was on a rookie contract and especially on a team that has such a hard time stopping the run. This is one thing that has bugged me about "The Process" from the beginning. they want to build through the draft. So the first thing they do is get rid of all the guys we drafted in the last few years. Talk about derailing your plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Again just explain to me HOW Kerley and Holmes fit this expected growth pain year coming out of OBD. Explain to me how brining Kyle back does how giving an Star big money does Same with Murphy i mean if it is expected HOW do those offseason moves FIT the plan You seriously don't understand the concept of short term roster fillers? Really? They have no cap room until next year and a finite number of draft picks each year. The goal from day 1 was to get the QB, something Whaley never address, which is why all his 'young talent' never got better than average. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, KD in CA said: You seriously don't understand the concept of short term roster fillers? Really? They have no cap room until next year and a finite number of draft picks each year. The goal from day 1 was to get the QB, something Whaley never address, which is why all his 'young talent' never got better than average. Sure i do. So tell me how Kerley and Holmes are better short term roster fillers than Coleman and Reilly who may have upside if your season is about developing youth? now seeing you want to bring Whaley into it. He was high on Mahomes Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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