SouthNYfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: That's ridiculous. He didn't throw the balls out of bounds. He tracked them and caught them showing his ability. He didn't get cut because he showed something that those in the know saw, not what they read off of a sheet of paper. How about him not tracking the sideline and making an effort to get his feet in on any of those? How about not making an effort for that one deep ball that he clearly could have gotten if he didn't give up on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: How about him not tracking the sideline and making an effort to get his feet in on any of those? How about not making an effort for that one deep ball that he clearly could have gotten if he didn't give up on it? Totally agree on the bombs. He can't track for crap. Both Josh's fourth quarter bombs were right on the money and Foster blew them both. The OB catches only one of four could any WR catch in bounds. The ball was too far OB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Totally agree on the bombs. He can't track for crap. Both Josh's fourth quarter bombs were right on the money and Foster blew them both. The OB catches only one of four could any WR catch in bounds. The ball was too far OB. Agreed Even if they were out of bounds though, I didn't see him even make an effort to be on bounds, ie he wasn't even aware of where the sideline was. Maybe he can learn? I feel like ball tracking and field awareness are difficult to teach though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: How about him not tracking the sideline and making an effort to get his feet in on any of those? How about not making an effort for that one deep ball that he clearly could have gotten if he didn't give up on it? How did he respond to the coaching / film grading that he would have received on those plays ? He has speed, and that can’t be coached. Other things can. Who should they have kept? There were overlapping skill sets and maybe guys who don’t play ST’s. There’s also familiarity with the staff. Anyway, we’re talkiing about a down the depth chart WR here. I don’t know if anyone other than Benjamin and Kerley ( who is a WR 3 anywhere else but a WR2 here) are much better. It came down to speed and other factors most likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Agreed Even if they were out of bounds though, I didn't see him even make an effort to be on bounds, ie he wasn't even aware of where the sideline was. Maybe he can learn? I feel like ball tracking and field awareness are difficult to teach though. Agree. It's not easy to learn. Usually you either have it or don't for both of them. Zay Jones sucked at both of them last year, too. Let's just hope he can learn. It's not the same but it's like arm strength. Most players with rag arms cannot improve arm strength over the years to become adequate. It happens but most can't. Brady did dramatically. But there are not a lot of examples. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: How did he respond to the coaching / film grading that he would have received on those plays ? He has speed, and that can’t be coached. Other things can. Who should they have kept? There were overlapping skill sets and maybe guys who don’t play ST’s. There’s also familiarity with the staff. Anyway, we’re talkiing about a down the depth chart WR here. I don’t know if anyone other than Benjamin and Kerley ( who is a WR 3 anywhere else but a WR2 here) are much better. It came down to speed and other factors most likely. Yeah, basically speed and daboll. Oh well. I think he sucks. Let's hope he can turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: Yeah, basically speed and daboll. Oh well. I think he sucks. Let's hope he can turn it around. He probably does. I’m hoping for a waiver wire claim at this point or even a trade. This WR group is among the worst the Bills have had since probably the Chan Gailey years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Yeah, basically speed and daboll. Oh well. I think he sucks. Let's hope he can turn it around. I'm not criticizing this I'm just curious. But why are you just assuming "Daboll's boy" is a bad thing? He obviously knows him better than anyone. Unless you already assume Daboll stinks why is lobbying for a guy he knows and obviously loves is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm not criticizing this I'm just curious. But why are you just assuming "Daboll's boy" is a bad thing? He obviously knows him better than anyone. Unless you already assume Daboll stinks why is lobbying for a guy he knows and obviously loves is wrong? I am concerned that he's pining for him based on his familiarity with him Look what it did for Chip Kelly when he gutted the eagles going after Oregon players It's not a good way to run a team if you're using that for decisions over other things like talent So it's just s concern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm not criticizing this I'm just curious. But why are you just assuming "Daboll's boy" is a bad thing? He obviously knows him better than anyone. Unless you already assume Daboll stinks why is lobbying for a guy he knows and obviously loves is wrong? Tell me about Castillo and DucASSe now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: How about him not tracking the sideline and making an effort to get his feet in on any of those? How about not making an effort for that one deep ball that he clearly could have gotten if he didn't give up on it? You stated, emphatically I might add, that all that counted was 1 out of 10. If that's the case then we wouldn't need coaches evaluating skills and potential, we could get by with 5th graders who can do math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I’m still unsure how he made the 53. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You stated, emphatically I might add, that all that counted was 1 out of 10. If that's the case then we wouldn't need coaches evaluating skills and potential, we could get by with 5th graders who can do math. That's right. 1 reception on 10 targets is what matters at the end of the day. Since other things were being brought into the discussion, I decided to use the negative things he did as well as a counterpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I am concerned that he's pining for him based on his familiarity with him Look what it did for Chip Kelly when he gutted the eagles going after Oregon players It's not a good way to run a team if you're using that for decisions over other things like talent So it's just s concern There are all kinds of examples of it working and all kinds it not working. Every coach does it to some degree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: I’m still unsure how he made the 53. ...look like Robert Royal hands....just sayin'............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: Tell me about Castillo and DucASSe now. Ugh. That's a great example of it being stupid. It probably backfires more than it helps. But Beane and McD familiar with KB got us our only bona fide WR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Ugh. That's a great example of it being stupid. It probably backfires more than it helps. But Beane and McD familiar with KB got us our only bona fide WR. Bona fide? Dude barely has one 1000 yard receiving season. He has just as much to prove as everyone not named LeSean McCoy on the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Bona fide? Dude barely has one 1000 yard receiving season. He has just as much to prove as everyone not named LeSean McCoy on the roster. He's a number one WR in the league. Not elite. But a genuine #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 They evaluated and said, "Foster makes the cut." Ta-da. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Totally agree on the bombs. He can't track for crap. Both Josh's fourth quarter bombs were right on the money and Foster blew them both. The OB catches only one of four could any WR catch in bounds. The ball was too far OB. Can't agree more. Anyone who said, "he caught that ball", clearly misses even the not so dine points of the position. Seems to have little to no awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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