Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Yeah... let's forget that AJ got hurt because our o-line got man-handled. That's really what Allen need right now. It's funny, when our QB's suck, "it's only preseason gosh!" But when we see one do well, it's full steam ahead, next stop Hall of Fame! And despite Peterman actually playing better than any of our starters, we could care less because "oh , ah! Look at Josh Allen's arm!" And all based on some preseason games... If he was the exact same person, only drafted in the 5th round, I highly doubt there'd be half as much of this going around. Go back in your hole. Allen was clearly better than Peterman last night. Allen scored on every drive last night and would have had two TD's if Logan Thomas could have made a tough catch. If you think Peterman looked better than Allen last night then that says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Aside from the QB battle going on, which is now 1 man down. I think the question the staff has to ask themselves is, will Allen represent an improvement at the QB position over last year? If the answer is yes, then you start him. I've seen posts that say he should be third string while he develops. Guess what, third stringers don't get reps, they get clipboards. I've seen posts that say Peterman should start while Josh is 2nd string and develops. Guess what, backups don't even get a third of the reps in practice during the regular season. Peterman's arm hasn't gotten any stronger, his pocket presence hasn't improved. Dabol obviously recognizes these shortcomings, his play calling has consisted mainly of quick throws and 3 step drops. Peterman's another Fitzpatrick at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Go back in your hole. Allen was clearly better than Peterman last night. Allen scored on every drive last night and would have had two TD's if Logan Thomas could have made a tough catch. If you think Peterman looked better than Allen last night then that says it all. I'm going to respond for him. Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3. Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3. Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time. Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line. Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: I'm going to respond for him. Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3. Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3. Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time. Logan Thomas dropped a TD? What? That pass well short of the endzone and the first down marker. Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line. Please, the YPA is absolutely useless in a preseason game where players are playing only quarters against different levels of competition. Especially when you have Allen make an incredible play for a short TD and Peterman gets a 35 yard TD on a short pass over the middle to O'Leary. Seriously don't bring up these stats like you know what you are talking about when simply watching the game shows you how skewed those stats are. You obviously did not see the pass to the back of the endzone on the two minute drill. Peterman went 3 and out on his first two drives and was able to pick in up after. The O'Leary TD was a ten yard pass to a wide open O'Leary who took it for another 25 yards. Anyone with eyes could see Allen was better. Edited August 18, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, BigDingus said: And despite Peterman actually playing better than any of our starters, Peterman hasn't played better than Allen. The only reason you start Peterman is because you think rookie QBs should sit for a few games regardless of how ready they are. If McDermott has been telling the truth that the best QB will start, and I believe he has, then Allen is unquestionably the starter. Edited August 18, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: I'm going to respond for him. Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3. Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3. Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time. Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line. Judging them by preseason stats? Not the right measuring stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Please, the YPA is absolutely useless in a preseason game where players are playing only quarters against different levels of competition. You obviously did not see the pass to the back of the endzone on the two minute drill. Peterman went 3 and out on his first two drives and was able to pick in up after. The O'Leary TD was a ten yard pass to a wide open O'Leary who took it for another 25 yards. Anyone with eyes could see Allen was better. Why are you picking on a fella with no eyes? It's amazing that he can participate on an internet message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Judging them by preseason stats? Not the right measuring stick. So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all? And let's judge on college then. Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. He had very good games against Penn State, Miami and Duke also. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it. Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now. Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, suorangefan4 said: So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all? And let's judge on college then. Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it. Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now. Don't care. Compare for yourself just this one difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Don't care. Compare for yourself just this one difference. Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done. He has one of the strongest arms ever. But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke. The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too. The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward. Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, suorangefan4 said: Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done. But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke. The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too. The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward. Peterman has continually shown a lack of arm strength to successfully throw out routes both this season and last. He's even been susceptible to picks in practice as evidenced by this highlight. Make all of the excuses you'd like but this is a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all? And let's judge on college then. Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it. Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now. Because we are not looking at a boxscore. We are watching the game and some of us can see he shows the traits that make QB's great. His maneuvering in the pocket on the first TD was Bradyesque. Again, I don't know how much you watched Allen in college but I watch a ton of college football and a ton of Allen after we drafted him. Wyoming was a terrible, terrible team without Allen. Claiming Peterman was better in college than Allen is one of the most clueless statements ever made on this board. You want a college stat to show you how good Allen was: Wyoming overall record the 3 season prior to Allen- 11-25 Wyoming record with Allen- 16-9 Allen missed two games last season and Wyoming lost them both. One to Fresno St where they scored 7 points and another to the 2-11 powerhouse The San Jose State Spartans. It is unbelievable how clueless people are. Watch some college football sometime. So much ignorance in your post. Edited August 18, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allpurpose Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 McC was never going to lead you or the Bengals to the promised land. He was, after all an Alabama QB which for all intents and purposes is almost Cleveland when it comes to QBs.. The last truly successful QB from Alabama was Broadway Joe and that was awhile back before most football fans were even born although I'm old enough to remember him.. It appears Allen will get an initiation by fire now and god help him with Russell Bodine as the center.. RB is the embodiment of a turnstile that people going through don't even have to buy a ticket.. The only upside to Bodine is that he's pretty durable, but he'll give up on pressure more often than not. Well, good luck to the young man. I hope he does well except against the Bengals. Just for clarification, I'm a Bengals fan, but do enjoy discussing the game with fans of different teams.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3. Preseason stats are meaningless. Watch the plays. I'm as big on stats as anyone on this board, but you need legitimate sample sizes before they mean anything. There is nothing legitimate about 15 throws against a vanilla defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: I'm going to respond for him. Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3. Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3. Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time. Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line. This post only says and proves one thing...that you don’t understand preseason football and how to visually analyze a QB playing in one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Because we are not looking at a boxscore. We are watching the game and some of us can see he shows the traits that make QB's great. Again, I don't know how much you watched Allen in college but I watch a ton of college football and a ton of Allen after we drafted him. Wyoming was a terrible, terrible team without Allen. Claiming Peterman was better in college than Allen is one of the most clueless statements ever made on this board. You want a college stat to show you how good Allen was: Wyoming overall record the 3 season prior to Allen- 11-25 Wyoming record with Allen- 16-9 Allen missed two games last season and Wyoming lost them both. One to Fresno St whre they scored 7 points without Allen and another to the 2-11 powerhouse The San Jose State Spartans. It is unbelievable how clueless people are. Watch some college football sometime. So much ignorance in your post. I know Allen had a bad team at Wyoming. I've even made the same post in the past about it and even made a post about those games he didn't play against Fresno State and San Jose State. Pitt also got considerably worse after Peterman left. They went from 8 wins to 5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Peterman has continually shown a lack of arm strength to successfully throw out routes both this season and last. He's even been susceptible to picks in practice as evidenced by this highlight. Make all of the excuses you'd like but this is a problem. If I could give this post 1000 trophies and likes I would. It’s mind boggling how some people don’t understand or fail to recognize what a problem this is. And out route turnovers are the worst kind as they are susceptible to turning into defensive touchdowns or big returns at the very least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done. He has one of the strongest arms ever. But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke. The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too. The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward. You could also argue that the defender is closer to the wr's and break faster with peterman at qb because of the lack of arm strength or lack of respect to be beaten deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 14 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: He's looking better than Baker. Baker is 2/4 for 0 yards lol. I was talking to the son last night. I really like Baker. Bad luck for him that he is on the Browns. I feel bad for him his career will be screwed by that team. That entire organization is incompetent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: I know Allen had a bad team at Wyoming. I've even made the same post in the past about it and even made a post about those games he didn't play against Fresno State and San Jose State. Pitt also got considerably worse after Peterman left. They went from 8 wins to 5 wins. Does any of this matter on August 18, 2018 with the Buffalo Bills facing a decision of which QB to start the season? IMO it's a no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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