Admiral William H. McRaven

[THEHARDTRUTH]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/osama-bin-laden-raid-william-mcraven-asks-trump-to-revoke-his-security-clearance-too/

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven

 

Well said Admiral. Thank you for your service. You are a real american hero. Unlike the five time draft dodging conman who has shamefully betrayed his country.

[boyst]

Hope this guy break a nail next time he acts like a little B word.

[DC Tom]

15 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Dear Diary: Today I wrote a mindless, ranting post on a message board that laid bare my empty-headedness for all the world to see.  It was the bestest day ever.  I'm very proud of myself.

 

 

[THEHARDTRUTH]

Feel free to discuss the Admirals comments Trumptards. Truth hurts doesnt it.

14 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Hope this guy break a nail next time he acts like a little B word.

Now Boyst62. Don't be all bitter. No shame in having a five time draft dodging traitor for a hero. Make sure you share the tinker toys with DC Tommy Cakes. You cupcakes need to play nice nice.

[The_Dude]

Trump is a coward. It is known. Even his supporters won’t deny it. They’ll just make loud noises while wearing patriotic shirts of the nation Trump did not defend. 

 

Why? It’s a religion. Trump supporters are religiously following the man. He’s completely turned conservativism upside down. Now conservatism means huge deficits, tax breaks for huge corporations, halting free trade, and alienating NATO while embracing Bolsheviks.  

[boyst]

8 hours ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/osama-bin-laden-raid-william-mcraven-asks-trump-to-revoke-his-security-clearance-too/

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven

 

Well said Admiral. Thank you for your service. You are a real american hero. Unlike the five time draft dodging conman who has shamefully betrayed his country.

 

6 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Trump is a coward. It is known. Even his supporters won’t deny it. They’ll just make loud noises while wearing patriotic shirts of the nation Trump did not defend. 

 

Why? It’s a religion. Trump supporters are religiously following the man. He’s completely turned conservativism upside down. Now conservatism means huge deficits, tax breaks for huge corporations, halting free trade, and alienating NATO while embracing Bolsheviks.  

@baskin@Tiberius

@#34fan@LaDexter

@donbb

@oldmanfan

 

Y'all missing this fun... Have at it slow bus!

[oldmanfan]

Why exactly is my name posted here?

[Tiberius]

Nevermore

Edited August 17, 2018 by Tiberius

[boyst]

11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Why exactly is my name posted here?

You like long drawn out rants that argue the mundane.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

You like long drawn out rants that argue the mundane.

God forbid you would have to try and understand the complexity of issues.

 

On this topic I'll make it easy for you:  I honor anyone who wears the uniform, particularly a guy who led the way to take out the monster that killed over 3000 on 9/11.  He's earned the right to have his say.

[Keukasmallies]

I think the Commander in Chief should grant the Admiral's request.

[Tiberius]

    Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter,

In there stepped a stately McRaven of the saintly days of yore;

    Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;

    But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door—

Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door—

            Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

29 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Trump is a coward. It is known. Even his supporters won’t deny it. They’ll just make loud noises while wearing patriotic shirts of the nation Trump did not defend. 

 

Why? It’s a religion. Trump supporters are religiously following the man. He’s completely turned conservativism upside down. Now conservatism means huge deficits, tax breaks for huge corporations, halting free trade, and alienating NATO while embracing Bolsheviks.  

No,  he said he would have run harmed into Parkland high school when there was an active shooter. That's a brave thing...to say

[boyst]

21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

God forbid you would have to try and understand the complexity of issues.

 

On this topic I'll make it easy for you:  I honor anyone who wears the uniform, particularly a guy who led the way to take out the monster that killed over 3000 on 9/11.  He's earned the right to have his say.

I don't let a uniform hide character.

 

In Brennans case, and in many others it does just that. And for this man to back a war criminal traitor I guess I question his character.

 

I don't blindly follow those in pretty outfits because they get some nobility granted by the dullards of our society. 

51 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Trump is a coward. It is known. Even his supporters won’t deny it. They’ll just make loud noises while wearing patriotic shirts of the nation Trump did not defend. 

 

Why? It’s a religion. Trump supporters are religiously following the man. He’s completely turned conservativism upside down. Now conservatism means huge deficits, tax breaks for huge corporations, halting free trade, and alienating NATO while embracing Bolsheviks.  

By the way, what's your comment on when he stopped an armed assault?

[The_Dude]

23 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

By the way, what's your comment on when he stopped an armed assault?

 

My comment would be similar to when Hillary claimed to faced sniper fire in Bosnia. But that's what awful, corrupt, cowards, like Hillary and Donald do -- they lie. They lie often, they lie big, and they repeat it over, and over again. 

[The_Dude]

59 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

    Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter,

In there stepped a stately McRaven of the saintly days of yore;

    Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;

    But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door—

Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door—

            Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

No,  he said he would have run harmed into Parkland high school when there was an active shooter. That's a brave thing...to say

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name. I was thinking 'who, from Rome, is Trump most like' and I can't squeeze anything out of the Republican era due to Romans being a warlike society of Men....but ya can in the Imperium. Caligula. Mr. "Little Boots".  Only, at least Caligula had an excuse -- all of what he did can easily be explained to his horrific and tragic childhood. And Caligula was a popular emperor at first because he would just babble what the people wanted, never saying no. His spending quickly outpaced tax receipts. His depravity (not all of which can be true) is historic which is saying something. His contempt of the Senate is very similar to Trump's contempt of our Republican structure -- Trump is no republican (traditional sense, not modern) he's an autocrat wannabe. I also remember a story of Caligula taking a field trip into Germany where his guard helped him play imperator in a fake battle, and then when real Germans showed up they ran like hell back to their side of the Rhine. Caligula was a liar. An idiot. And he definitely deserved his death. Yup, Trump reminds me a lot of Caligula. They even have incest in common -- I'm a father, and I have a beautiful daughter, but I would never make a comment that 'she's so pretty she's somebody I would date' because that would be an icky thing that somebody like a draft dodger would say. Or a Hapsburg. 

 

In fact, "Little Boots" is a good name for Trump. Little Boots.

Edited August 17, 2018 by The_Dude

[boyst]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name. 

 

It's never safe to assume anything.  Assuming Tiberius knows something is an indication of your lack of everything that is reasonable.

 

Dude is a clown.  If you find yourself siding with him please read his work more.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

It's never safe to assume anything.  Assuming Tiberius knows something is an indication of your lack of everything that is reasonable.

 

Dude is a clown.  If you find yourself siding with him please read his work more.

Thanks, but you can't even stand in my shadow. I'm a natural aristocrat compared to you. 

[The_Dude]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It's never safe to assume anything. 

 

This is something I hear a lot of unlearned people say. 

 

Do ya know what some people do for a profession? They assume things. You can find these assumers all over the place. From finance to the military. People are paid to make assumptions. What do you think a business venture is based on? Assumptions. Speculations. Most assumptions are data driven, but at the end of the day you're forced to assume.

Like, I'm projecting right now my payroll for the Fall and I'll assume a 5% increase on last years gross. Does that mean I'll gain 5% more? Not necessarily. But to make my plans I'm forced to assume. 

Now a Walmart cashier will be quick to give the old line 'you make an ass out of u and me when you assume' and they always think they're channeled into some form of wisdom when they say that because they're too ignorant to know that their hours they work are predicated on assumptions. But they don't know -- they're the ants at the bottom. Who aren't assuming anything. 

[boyst]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Thanks, but you can't even stand in my shadow. I'm a natural aristocrat compared to you. 

Whatever that means, I am sure you're wrong on all of that. 

[outsidethebox]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

This is something I hear a lot of unlearned people say. 

 

Do ya know what some people do for a profession? They assume things. You can find these assumers all over the place. From finance to the military. People are paid to make assumptions. What do you think a business venture is based on? Assumptions. Speculations. Most assumptions are data driven, but at the end of the day you're forced to assume.

Like, I'm projecting right now my payroll for the Fall and I'll assume a 5% increase on last years gross. Does that mean I'll gain 5% more? Not necessarily. But to make my plans I'm forced to assume. 

Now a Walmart cashier will be quick to give the old line 'you make an ass out of u and me when you assume' and they always think they're channeled into some form of wisdom when they say that because they're too ignorant to know that their hours they work are predicated on assumptions. But they don't know -- they're the ants at the bottom. Who aren't assuming anything. 

You're long winded self righteous posts are a bore. You're nothing but trailer park trash.  A big old loud mouthed dud. 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name. I was thinking 'who, from Rome, is Trump most like' and I can't squeeze anything out of the Republican era due to Romans being a warlike society of Men....but ya can in the Imperium. Caligula. Mr. "Little Boots".  Only, at least Caligula had an excuse -- all of what he did can easily be explained to his horrific and tragic childhood. And Caligula was a popular emperor at first because he would just babble what the people wanted, never saying no. His spending quickly outpaced tax receipts. His depravity (not all of which can be true) is historic which is saying something. His contempt of the Senate is very similar to Trump's contempt of our Republican structure -- Trump is no republican (traditional sense, not modern) he's an autocrat wannabe. I also remember a story of Caligula taking a field trip into Germany where his guard helped him play imperator in a fake battle, and then when real Germans showed up they ran like hell back to their side of the Rhine. Caligula was a liar. An idiot. And he definitely deserved his death. Yup, Trump reminds me a lot of Caligula. They even have incest in common -- I'm a father, and I have a beautiful daughter, but I would never make a comment that 'she's so pretty she's somebody I would date' because that would be an icky thing that somebody like a draft dodger would say. Or a Hapsburg. 

 

In fact, "Little Boots" is a good name for Trump. Little Boots.

It's just so difficult to make the comparison between these eras. If I remembered correctly, Rome was already a dictatorship when Caligula came to power. Trump's ignorance does remind me of Diocletican in the sense that he tried curbing inflation with price controls, which of course failed. BUt Dio was successful in other areas. Roman history is not a huge focus for me, I always found it frustrating to study because the evidence is so fragmentary in so many ways. But, their system lasted as long as it did because of human capital in the form of discipline and organization, in the face of greed, corruption and oppression. So hopefully our system survives with the human capital contained in the good people and we overcome this--hopefully--interregnum of buffoonery. 

3 minutes ago, westside said:

You're long winded self righteous posts are a bore. You're nothing but trailer park trash.  A big old loud mouthed dud. 

Be nice, you are bad at being mean 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

This is something I hear a lot of unlearned people say. 

 

Do ya know what some people do for a profession? They assume things. You can find these assumers all over the place. From finance to the military. People are paid to make assumptions. What do you think a business venture is based on? Assumptions. Speculations. Most assumptions are data driven, but at the end of the day you're forced to assume.

Like, I'm projecting right now my payroll for the Fall and I'll assume a 5% increase on last years gross. Does that mean I'll gain 5% more? Not necessarily. But to make my plans I'm forced to assume. 

Now a Walmart cashier will be quick to give the old line 'you make an ass out of u and me when you assume' and they always think they're channeled into some form of wisdom when they say that because they're too ignorant to know that their hours they work are predicated on assumptions. But they don't know -- they're the ants at the bottom. Who aren't assuming anything. 

I honestly realized a while ago when I read a post.  Generally when it starts from a soap box of projection I can read the first sentence and learn all I need to once self grandstanding is done. Disirregaedless, I read the entire post and was not let down.

 

No one assumes for a living. That's the most ridiculous statement that could be made. Of course, certain irony exists that I could be said to assume this but anyone of "learned"-ness doesn't. Detectives, investigators, financial analysts, etc.  They don't just assume. That's such a blatant ridiculous statement that is so common to PPP that it makes any other argument or statement you made weighted down for possible validity.

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

It's just so difficult to make the comparison between these eras. If I remembered correctly, Rome was already a dictatorship when Caligula came to power. Trump's ignorance does remind me of Diocletican in the sense that he tried curbing inflation with price controls, which of course failed. BUt Dio was successful in other areas. Roman history is not a huge focus for me, I always found it frustrating to study because the evidence is so fragmentary in so many ways. But, their system lasted as long as it did because of human capital in the form of discipline and organization, in the face of greed, corruption and oppression. So hopefully our system survives with the human capital contained in the good people and we overcome this--hopefully--interregnum of buffoonery. 

Be nice, you are bad at being mean 

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

You realize he is literally googling his information and rewriting it as his response to you.

 

He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

[The_Dude]

7 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I honestly realized a while ago when I read a post.  Generally when it starts from a soap box of projection I can read the first sentence and learn all I need to once self grandstanding is done. Disirregaedless, I read the entire post and was not let down.

 

No one assumes for a living. That's the most ridiculous statement that could be made. Of course, certain irony exists that I could be said to assume this but anyone of "learned"-ness doesn't. Detectives, investigators, financial analysts, etc.  They don't just assume. That's such a blatant ridiculous statement that is so common to PPP that it makes any other argument or statement you made weighted down for possible validity.

 

Ok...except people do. Like, I just told you how I do so in my profession. If you're employed sir it is because somebody is assuming. 

I do not have the funds to pay my employees next month. I'm not firing them today because I'm going to assume I'll generate revenues between now and then.

 

People assume every day. It's how business is done. In the military, when we were aware that there was an unkown variable, we'd assume. Then we'd conduct reconnaissance (that's where I came in) to see if our assumptions were accurate.  

 

 

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

You realize he is literally googling his information and rewriting it as his response to you.

 

He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

 

That was a lot to google in a short amount of time and regurgitate. 

Or, I'm a dude who is obsessed with history because I believe it is through history that we can avoid the disasters of yesterday, and we can utilize it for blueprints going forward. 

As for Roman history, that is my particular hobby. I can go Romulus to Augustulus pretty well, and then to 1453 when the Muslims finally wiped out the last of the Romans. Though my Byzantine knowledge isn't as good as my Western knowledge. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

There was also the issue of shortages that drove up prices under Dio, and nothing a change in the money supply could fix. 

 

My my name comes from the Gracchus, the BC populists and reformers who were murdered by the oligarchs for attempting land reform. 

[The_Dude]

4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

 He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

 

When? Never. I despise plagiarism almost as much as I do draft dodging. 

 

Well done, Trumper.... Lie loud, lie big, lie often. Well done. Little Boots would be proud. 

Just now, Tiberius said:

There was also the issue of shortages that drove up prices under Dio, and nothing a change in the money supply could fix. 

 

My my name comes from the Gracchus, the BC populists and reformers who were murdered by the oligarchs for attempting land reform. 

 

Im quite familiar with the Grachi. Hell, I would have been on their side at that point and I'm a republican. 

[row_33]

i guess it's the new snowflake touchy-feely era for people with clearance

 

you don't feel having clearance means even 1% loyalty to your country, or to shut your !@#$ing mouth while employed

 

and rush to let out a weepy letter when nature took its course

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Gator is a widely known plagiarizer. It should be obvious to anyone with a functional brain. In his normal, everyday posting he has poor spelling, bad grammar and doesn't know what punctuation is. He every so often posts a lengthy paragraph or so about something that is phrased properly about a subject that few know anything about.

[DC Tom]

57 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name.

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

Speaking of duchebags! Look who shows up. 

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

 

after Watergate and the Church Commission the CIA/FBI was the evilest thing on the planet to all liberals

 

now they pretend they always worshiped the spooks

 

better to have a brain and think for yourself than to be a liberal

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

Why, are they suppose to be helping a traitor work with Russia? Or just looking the other way while that happens. 

[The_Dude]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

 

Well since I was unfamiliar with the word till I googled, no. 

But, he says he knows Grachi things, so I take him at his word. The Grachi were very influential once upon a time. And they were decent people. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

after Watergate and the Church Commission the CIA/FBI was the evilest thing on the planet to all liberals

 

now they pretend they always worshiped the spooks

 

better to have a brain and think for yourself than to be a liberal

 

They are not the Catholic Church, and are actually able to reform. J Edgar is no longer in charge 

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Gator is a widely known plagiarizer. It should be obvious to anyone with a functional brain. In his normal, everyday posting he has poor spelling, bad grammar and doesn't know what punctuation is. He every so often posts a lengthy paragraph or so about something that is phrased properly about a subject that few know anything about.

 

One of my best customers is a dude who probably owns about 80 properties in and around Atlanta. He used to be a VP for a large bank. He quit that funny business to enjoy life, and his real estate pays his way for a comfortable living. This guy often sends me emails with grammatical errors. He doesn't care and neither do I because our correspondence is just to say 'hey, I want you to know this' and he's so successful, and worth I don't even know how much. He sends emails with errors because he's a busy guy and doesn't proof read what he writes when its just an informal email. This is a message board. In life, it counts for nothing. Grammar, schmammar. 

You've gigged me on my writing and I just laugh. It proves nothing. I mean, what kind of logic suggests 'you're point on the matter is invalid because you forgot a comma'? But I see internet people do that all the time. Ridiculous. It does not stand up to any reasoning. 

[row_33]

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thank you ignore button!

 

these clowns at the top think they are too valuable to be kicked out of the process

 

at a wedding reception years ago i sat with a former HR VP for a MNC and he whined FOR 3 HOURS how GM or Ford or Toyota or whatever would collapse because he was no longer in charge of things there, and his daughter kept it going with tears the whole time too in support, they ruined the dinner for the other 8 sitting at the table

 

i sat there and resisted saying the place will do fine without you....

 

 

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

One of my best customers is a dude who probably owns about 80 properties in and around Atlanta. He used to be a VP for a large bank. He quit that funny business to enjoy life, and his real estate pays his way for a comfortable living. This guy often sends me emails with grammatical errors. He doesn't care and neither do I because our correspondence is just to say 'hey, I want you to know this' and he's so successful, and worth I don't even know how much. He sends emails with errors because he's a busy guy and doesn't proof read what he writes when its just an informal email. This is a message board. In life, it counts for nothing. Grammar, schmammar. 

You've gigged me on my writing and I just laugh. It proves nothing. I mean, what kind of logic suggests 'you're point on the matter is invalid because you forgot a comma'? But I see internet people do that all the time. Ridiculous. It does not stand up to any reasoning. 

 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

 

keeps him from muttering the same stuff while sitting on a park bench