row_33 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Taxes would approximately double. double each 3 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Taxes would approximately double. Just now, row_33 said: double each 3 months Link? If I buy a $10,000 policy on Affordable Care Website (my cost now) and then Medicare for All is passed, will my taxes go up $10.000? Doubtful. While I'm working, my company won't have to pay premiums either. Would be good for business. Especially small business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Link? If I buy a $10,000 policy on Affordable Care Website (my cost now) and then Medicare for All is passed, will my taxes go up $10.000? Doubtful. While I'm working, my company won't have to pay premiums either. Would be good for business. Especially small business. i see the effect on the Canadian tax system to pay for the "free ride" medical system, with bonus tax punishment payments added in for many of us and then have to purchase private plans on top of it... sorry your country didn't get on board in the 1950s when it could have been done, probably even in the 1960s if LBJ didn't go to Nam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Link? If I buy a $10,000 policy on Affordable Care Website (my cost now) and then Medicare for All is passed, will my taxes go up $10.000? Doubtful. While I'm working, my company won't have to pay premiums either. Would be good for business. Especially small business. If the three TRILLION dollar a year budget for such a plan (almost undoubtedly to be a low estimate) comes into effect, yeah, you'll see a RADICAL rise in your taxes...potentially to include a federal VAT. For persepctive, the federal budget for 2018 was 4.4 trillion dollars, with 3.2 trillion in taxes received. So you'd need to bring in a minimum 3 trillion dollars more in taxes. Do the math. Edited July 31, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, joesixpack said: If the three TRILLION dollar a year budget for such a plan (almost undoubtedly to be a low estimate) comes into effect, yeah, you'll see a RADICAL rise in your taxes...potentially to include a federal VAT. For persepctive, the federal budget for 2018 was 4.4 trillion dollars, with 3.2 trillion in taxes received. So you'd need to bring in a minimum 3 trillion dollars more in taxes. Do the math. I still seriously doubt that if Medicare for all were implemented taxes would go up by the astronomical amount each individual now pay for health care (including your what your company now pays which they would no longer have to pay). Sure taxes would go up. So what? My total healthcare spending would go down if implemented well. Big if I know. What we got sure ain't working and as long as politicians are in the pocket of Pharma and insurance (forever) it won't get much of any better. Edited July 31, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: I still seriously doubt that if Medicare for all were implemented taxes would go up by the astronomical amount each individual now pay for health care (including your what your company now pays which they would no longer have to pay). Sure taxes would go up. So what? My total healthcare spending would go down if implemented well. Big if I know. Your taxes would double, at a minimum. And that's making the assumption that the $3T figure is correct. I'd bank more on the $5T range, given how the government manages things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Your taxes would double, at a minimum. And that's making the assumption that the $3T figure is correct. I'd bank more on the $5T range, given how the government manages things. Once everyone is covered the gov can manage this like the VA. What could go wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, keepthefaith said: Once everyone is covered the gov can manage this like the VA. What could go wrong? A piece of life advice: Never get dental work done at a VA dentist. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, keepthefaith said: Once everyone is covered the gov can manage this like the VA. What could go wrong? Have you ever been treated at a VA mecdcal center? I have. I get some of my care there and it's good. It's not like you hear about. Sure they fug up sometimes, but they also have a ton of heroes to take care of. What hospital doesn't? I'm not saying the govt should run health care like that for everyone, but it's not the sh!t hole it's made out to be either. 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: A piece of life advice: Never get dental work done at a VA dentist. EVER. I had my wisdom teeth pulled at the VA and it went well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 54 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Have you ever been treated at a VA mecdcal center? I have. I get some of my care there and it's good. It's not like you hear about. Sure they fug up sometimes, but they also have a ton of heroes to take care of. What hospital doesn't? I'm not saying the govt should run health care like that for everyone, but it's not the sh!t hole it's made out to be either. I had my wisdom teeth pulled at the VA and it went well. wisdom tooth is one of the most "your mileage may vary" experiences on the planet i had two removed, one with two shots of freezing and pliers and back to work with a few stronger Tylenols. Others swell up four times their normal size and turn yellow and purple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, row_33 said: wisdom tooth is one of the most "your mileage may vary" experiences on the planet i had two removed, one with two shots of freezing and pliers and back to work with a few stronger Tylenols. Others swell up four times their normal size and turn yellow and purple. Very dependent on age. I had mine removed at 18, which wasn't strictly necessary at the time, on the premise that "It's a hell of a lot easier than when you're 40." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: . I had my wisdom teeth pulled at the VA and it went well. Had mine done there. Three of them. Ended up with an infection . Was not pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 30 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Very dependent on age. I had mine removed at 18, which wasn't strictly necessary at the time, on the premise that "It's a hell of a lot easier than when you're 40." Makes sense if inevitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Had mine done there. Three of them. Ended up with an infection . Was not pleasant. Ouch. Sorry to hear that. I had mine done there when I was 21 or so. I didn't get put to sleep or get laughing gas or fancy pain meds.. Novacaine and Tylenol 3. But it worked. My wife once got an infection in a private Dentist's office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Crazy Eyes can't run for President or VP until 2024.Even then she would only make the age limitation by 3 weeks. Edited July 31, 2018 by Wacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, Wacka said: Crazy Eyes can't run for President or VP until 2024.Even then she would only make the age limitation by 3 weeks. Maybe in 6 years she'll be able to put together a coherent thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Have you ever been treated at a VA mecdcal center? I have. I get some of my care there and it's good. It's not like you hear about. Sure they fug up sometimes, but they also have a ton of heroes to take care of. What hospital doesn't? I'm not saying the govt should run health care like that for everyone, but it's not the sh!t hole it's made out to be either. I had my wisdom teeth pulled at the VA and it went well. I have not been treated at a VA center, but a close friend who was in the Military, then worked in private industry for 30+ years and then went to work as a pharmacist in the VA near Chicago has endless stories about how incredibly !@#$ed up it is including: sending prescription pills out to dead people (and not just a few), sending out the wrong pills, theft of drugs among employees, constant shortages and overall mismanagement. Facilities dirty. He would describe the culture and staff there as worse than anything he had ever seen anywhere. That was 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's better now. Maybe not. It's got a 2.5 star average review on yelp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: This chick is proposing nothing radical or even unpopular. The majority of people like a living wage. The majority of people like taxing the uber rich. The majority of people like universal healthcare. Yet Republicans continue to win elections. Why? Very simple; because Democrats are too chickensh*t to espouse true liberal ideology. The reason the Democrats continue to lose is not because they're too chicken to espouse their true ideology. It's because their true ideology is hypocritical, disingenuous and otherwise laughable. It's because Americans aren't as stupid, lazy and dependent as liberals want them to be. It's because Americans need to feel their life has meaning beyond nutbags like Alexandria and Bernie telling them that the reason their lives suck is because of wealthy, rich, white men. Perhaps if left would stop with the histrionics, stop with the blatant hypocrisy, stopping telling everyone they're a victim, and stop mocking successful individuals, and treat their fellow Americans with respect, they might get more than coastal elites, teachers and teenagers to believe their garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 33 minutes ago, Wacka said: Crazy Eyes can't run for President or VP until 2024.Even then she would only make the age limitation by 3 weeks. The Progressive agenda requires a flexible re-interpretation of the Constitution so why let that silly age limit stop them? Worst case, just say she self identifies as a 35 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, keepthefaith said: I have not been treated at a VA center, but a close friend who was in the Military, then worked in private industry for 30+ years and then went to work as a pharmacist in the VA near Chicago has endless stories about how incredibly !@#$ed up it is including: sending prescription pills out to dead people (and not just a few), sending out the wrong pills, theft of drugs among employees, constant shortages and overall mismanagement. Facilities dirty. He would describe the culture and staff there as worse than anything he had ever seen anywhere. That was 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's better now. Maybe not. It's got a 2.5 star average review on yelp. Ok. I went to the VA for 7 years in late 70s and early 80s. Was not a fan. I would spend the whole morning there for an appointment. Then I got a real job and family and health insurance. Then my prescriptions went up and up and up so I went back. It's much better now. I go to an office for some stuff. Some I go to hospital. Looks clean but I've never been inside the pharmacy. I get right in. My care there has been excellent. I'm not an amputee or need extensive care like the guys at Walter Reed. One man's first hand knowledge: Quality care from good doctors and good customer service. Can't speak to yelp reviews. Maybe the VA needs to spend some coin to get some better reviews written? Edited August 1, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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