Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: The ones appointed by the president you love? Don't be an idiot. This nonsense (the Russia collusion investigation) started under the auspices of Obama. Stick to eating stewed prunes, old man. You're mind's obviously too addled for this subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Which statement? My point is that people are parsing his words rather than looking at what he actually said. Go by the transcript. Not the cut up soundbytes. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576956/transcript-putin-trump-russia-helsinki-press-conference PUTIN: As to who is to be believed, who is not to be believed: you can trust no one. Where did you get this idea that President Trump trusts me or I trust him? He defends the interests of the United States of America and I do defend the interests of the Russian Federation. I listened to the entire thing as did you. And you know the statement he made about Putin being strong about his denial, etc. we all saw it and we all heard it. Don't be obsequious about this, you're better than that. Just now, joesixpack said: Don't be an idiot. This nonsense (the Russia collusion investigation) started under the auspices of Obama. Stick to eating stewed prunes, old man. You're mind's obviously too addled for this subject matter. And continues under the investigation of a special prosecutor assigned by the guy who wrote the memo to get Comey fired. All under the current administration. You are just being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I listened to the entire thing as did you. And you know the statement he made about Putin being strong about his denial, etc. we all saw it and we all heard it. Don't be obsequious about this, you're better than that. I'm not trying to be. I'm trying to stick with what was actually said, rather than the hype about what was said: So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm not trying to be. I'm trying to stick with what was actually said, rather than the hype about what was said: So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. It seemed to me he tried saying nice things about both parties without answering the question. And like I said before, everyone and their mother knows the proper answer is to say our side. He didnt, and it was dumb, but I dont amount it to treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: It seemed to me he tried saying nice things about both parties without answering the question. And like I said before, everyone and their mother knows the proper answer is to say our side. He didnt, and it was dumb, but I dont amount it to treason. But you know what does amount to treason? Two scoops of ice cream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: It seemed to me he tried saying nice things about both parties without answering the question. And like I said before, everyone and their mother knows the proper answer is to say our side. He didnt, and it was dumb, but I dont amount it to treason. Correct. Doc also pointed out the key cause as well. Trump has a clear division between Russian meddling (which he's never denied happened, and repeated in the presser) and Russian "hacking" (which he has always taken - rightfully so - as an argument he colluded with Putin and thus his win wasn't legitimate). He just doesn't make that line clear when he goes off on an answer, thus the point gets muddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: But you know what does amount to treason? Two scoops of ice cream... if everyone else only gets one, absolutely! It's what Hitler would do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. Doc also pointed out the key cause as well. Trump has a clear division between Russian meddling (which he's never denied happened, and repeated in the presser) and Russian "hacking" (which he has always taken - rightfully so - as an argument he colluded with Putin and thus his win wasn't legitimate). He just doesn't make that line clear when he goes off on an answer, thus the point gets muddled. Has anyone made that point clear? The media thrives on the confusion of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Another important revelation about the summit that no one is noticing (because: treason!) Iran's next. Russia's on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I'm sooty but trying to rescue his inane comment with this tweet is ridiculous. You don't honestly think he believes this vs. the statement he made in the pressers do you? I'm not defending Trump as he certainly could have articulated his position better on the matter than he did, which is often the case on any given topic. He did speak before going into the meeting and stated that he did have confidence in US intelligence. The media is simply seizing on his bumbled post meeting presser. In the end what he said changes nothing. Somebody stole documents from vulnerable US political people and orgs during 2016. Obama and co. knew about it then and either willfully ignored it or chose just to bark a little at Putin. We launched an investigation into the matter and filed charges against a dozen Russians and Putin denies they are responsible. Putin has gotten the message that we're pissed. Trump had no impact on what happened with regard to this before he was President and in terms of the relationship between our countries, there are bigger fish to fry unless this happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So, you can't provide the quote that said what you said. Got it. Imagine that, in America asking for evidence of guilt before deciding one is guilty. Max doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty I guess. This guy believes all the criticism was made up out of whole cloth. Dozens of top Republicans, Fox News commentators and literally thousands of articles slamming what Trump said and this guy says Trump said nothing about Russian election interference and absolving Putin. It's all just made up. Next, this guy will say that what Russia/Putin did was in the best interest of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: This guy believes all the criticism was made up out of whole cloth. Dozens of top Republicans, Fox News commentators and literally thousands of articles slamming what Trump said and this guy says Trump said nothing about Russian election interference and absolving Putin. It's all just made up. Next, this guy will say that what Russia/Putin did was in the best interest of the USA. That's not at all what I said. I merely asked you to provide the exact words of the quote you attributed to Trump. And you can't do it. Is that because you're lying and taking things out of context? Yup. But carry on. You've exposed yourself as being a dishonest asshat who's not interested in a serious discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Next, this guy will say that what Russia/Putin did was in the best interest of the USA. Hillary's not president... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I'm not defending Trump as he certainly could have articulated his position better on the matter than he did, which is often the case on any given topic. He did speak before going into the meeting and stated that he did have confidence in US intelligence. The media is simply seizing on his bumbled post meeting presser. In the end what he said changes nothing. Somebody stole documents from vulnerable US political people and orgs during 2016. Obama and co. knew about it then and either willfully ignored it or chose just to bark a little at Putin. We launched an investigation into the matter and filed charges against a dozen Russians and Putin denies they are responsible. Putin has gotten the message that we're pissed. Trump had no impact on what happened with regard to this before he was President and in terms of the relationship between our countries, there are bigger fish to fry unless this happens again. I disagree about bigger fish to fry. We are talking about the sovereignty of our country and our electoral system. If that falls into question the whole basis for our system of government comes into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Hillary's not president... I love that sentence ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: I disagree about bigger fish to fry. We are talking about the sovereignty of our country and our electoral system. If that falls into question the whole basis for our system of government comes into question. And as we discussed the other day, simultaneously the NSA was discovering an illegal political spying ring operating inside the FBI and DOJ for the purposes of spying on the political opposition of the administration. That too threatens the entire basis of our republic by robbing the people of their voice in the process. Yet... we're only talking about one of those events. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. Doc also pointed out the key cause as well. Trump has a clear division between Russian meddling (which he's never denied happened, and repeated in the presser) and Russian "hacking" (which he has always taken - rightfully so - as an argument he colluded with Putin and thus his win wasn't legitimate). He just doesn't make that line clear when he goes off on an answer, thus the point gets muddled. This simply is not true. He has said it could have been China or a 400 lb guy in his basement. He has indeed cast doubt on the Russians being the perpetrators and did so again yesterday by saying Putin strongly denied it and he sees no reason why they would have. Edited July 17, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: This simply is not true. He has said it could have been China or a 400 lb guy in his basement. He has indeed cast doubt on the Russians being the perpetrators and did so again yesterday by saying Putin strongly denied it and he sees no reason why the would have. He's said many, many times Russia meddled. He's equivocated on hacking without making that distinction clear. The two charges are different. I, for example, do not and never have denied Russia meddled. I have HIGH suspicions that they did not hack the DNC or DCCC or Clinton servers (and these suspicions are backed by evidence, not just conjecture). Trump feels the same, and bungles clarifying that. ******************* FYI: Trump to speak to leaders on the Hill (and make a public statement) in 20 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not at all what I said. I merely asked you to provide the exact words of the quote you attributed to Trump. And you can't do it. Is that because you're lying and taking things out of context? Yup. But carry on. You've exposed yourself as being a dishonest asshat who's not interested in a serious discussion. So, it never happened? Trump didn't take Putin's word for it? Trump said nothing that was concerning to you? Maybe even admit Trump made a mistake? Do you even know why Republicans are upset? 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Hillary's not president... At least you admit you are OK with Putin/Russian electoral interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Max Fischer said: So, it never happened? Trump didn't take Putin's word for it? Trump said nothing that was concerning to you? Maybe even admit Trump made a mistake? Do you even know why Republicans are upset? Why dont you read/post the quote and tell us what you think and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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