3rdnlng Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I think they're both bs. Trump's conspiracy theory is trying to discount their conspiracy theory. And Clapper admitted on TV that there was a spy within the Trump campaign. He claims it was to protect that campaign from the Russians. Of course they never bothered to tell Trump about it. Wonder if they had a spy in Clinton's campaign too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I think they're both bs. Trump's conspiracy theory is trying to discount their conspiracy theory. People like DR are bringing evidence to the table that what Trump is saying is going to come to light that it is true, while the other side has nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I think they're both bs. Trump's conspiracy theory is trying to discount their conspiracy theory. One side has actual evidence to support it though... and, as we've seen time and time again, Trump's "lying tweets" have a tendency to be proven true after a few months of discovery. Almost like he knows everything already about this operation (he does)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 hours ago, B-Man said: We know who did it but who asked them to? The Important Questions About ‘Spygate’ by Chuck Ross Original Article A battle of semantics has dominated the revelation that the FBI used a Cambridge professor named Stefan Halper to keep tabs on three Trump campaign advisers. The argument is over whether Halper was a mere FBI informant or a spy, as President Trump has asserted. But the debate has overshadowed more important questions about Halper’s role in “Crossfire Hurricane,” the code name for the FBI’s investigation of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government. The core questions are: Who tasked Halper, a former University of Cambridge professor, with contacting Trump campaign advisers Carter Page, Sam Clovis, and George Papadopoulos? What did they tell Halper, and what did he in turn tell his FBI/CIA handlers? And how was that information used by government officials in their investigation of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 election? . An even MORE important question is, where is the Special Prosecutor looking into British Government's meddling in our last Presidential election and what consequences will the Brits have to face? They're clearly culpable in the treachery to deny Trump a victory and to smear him and his administration. Collusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Putting this here too... 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: PART TWO: THE EVOLUTION OF A PALACE COUP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: One side has actual evidence to support it though... and, as we've seen time and time again, Trump's "lying tweets" have a tendency to be proven true after a few months of discovery. Almost like he knows everything already about this operation (he does)... Good. Trump should declassify everything then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Good. Trump should declassify everything then. Your statement won't get much argument from most of the folks here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Good. Trump should declassify everything then. It's coming, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (Click for more of her thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's coming, I believe. I'm not discounting the claim that Halper was used by the FBI for political purposes instead of concern over Russian infiltration into Trump's campaign. I just haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest that yet. It's a conspiracy theory until then. Edited May 27, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I'm not discounting the claim that Halper was used by the FBI for political purposes instead of concern over Russian infiltration into Trump's campaign. I just haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest that yet. It's a conspiracy theory until then. Here's the twist. Halper wasn't working for FBI. He was working for CIA. Its not theory, there's evidence behind it to support it - and its why there is such a coordinated effort to lie about it. Note the quibble - they say there was no spy IN Trump's campaign which Halper was not a part of. They do not deny he was sent to "gather intelligence" (aka spy). He was doing so on Brennan's orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 5:56 PM, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: This blows Watergate out of the water! ? how is this not on constant news cycles with the main stream media, unless they have an agenda? It would seem the most “transparent” presidency of the previous administration is anything but. Sounds like the web of deceit is about to unravel. Hopefully they prosecute those associated with the Clinton crime family, like they would a common citizen. Was Halper the spy in the Trump campaign and in this country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, ALF said: Was Halper the spy in the Trump campaign and in this country ? See above. The word choice is key and what they are using to lie and distract. Halper was not in the campaign. Hence trumps claims are "wrong". Its a linguistic trick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, ALF said: Was Halper the spy in the Trump campaign and in this country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 47 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here's the twist. Halper wasn't working for FBI. He was working for CIA. Its not theory, there's evidence behind it to support it - and its why there is such a coordinated effort to lie about it. Note the quibble - they say there was no spy IN Trump's campaign which Halper was not a part of. They do not deny he was sent to "gather intelligence" (aka spy). He was doing so on Brennan's orders. Trump said there was at least one FBI representative that was implanted into his campaign. Regardless, I'm sure the CIA worked with the FBI to recruit Halper, but it was an FBI counterintelligence investigation. Whether you call him a spy or an informant is irrelevant. Did Halper talk to Page, Papadopolous, and Clovis to assess if the Kremlin was attempting to infiltrate his campaign like the FBI claims, or were they trying to use him to sabotage Trump's campaign? I haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest the latter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trump said there was at least one FBI representative that was implanted into his campaign. Regardless, I'm sure the CIA worked with the FBI to recruit Halper, but it was an FBI counterintelligence investigation. Whether you call him a spy or an informant is irrelevant. Did Halper talk to Page, Papadopolous, and Clovis to assess if the Kremlin was attempting to infiltrate his campaign like the FBI claims, or were they trying to use him to sabotage Trump's campaign? I haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest the latter. Halper was not the only spy put into the campaign. There were at least four - and some were in multiple campaigns (including Sanders'). I urge you to re-read the Hakulyt thread and the timeline posted today re the Phases of the Operation. When Halper was activated is key to disproving the narrative that he was there trying to suss out Russian influence. He was there to confirm the work of Steele and to be a FISC witness/source in the FISA application on Carter Page. He was also paid over 400k (in September of 16 - just days before the Yahoo News piece dropped) by the DoD and over $1m in total for three other DOD projects between Sept '16 and January 20th 2017: We know he met with Page and Steele on July 11, 2016 - six weeks before this payday, and well before Crossfire Hurricane was opened. He also was in meetings with Dearlove and potentially Steele several times in the fall of 2016. If he was doing what the FBI/MSM is suggesting, why did he start weeks before the investigation began? Why was he paying to have meetings with both Page and G-Pap - conveniently in locations close to his old stomping grounds at Hakulyt? He was a conduit between the British IC, Langley, and the FBI. But his handler was undoubtedly Brennan - which makes it a CIA operation, and a highly illegal one at that. There is real evidence here, not just speculations. Halper was a spy. He was working to entrap Trump team members. That's provable. What's up for debate still is who was he truly working for. My money is on Brennan when the dust settles - but I admit fully there's only circumstantial evidence to make that claim (for the time being). The real test will be if/when the FISA application is revealed. If Halper's name is included in it as confirmation of the dossier - then it's game over. Edit: Also consider this... it completely destroys the explanation: Edited May 27, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trump said there was at least one FBI representative that was implanted into his campaign. Regardless, I'm sure the CIA worked with the FBI to recruit Halper, but it was an FBI counterintelligence investigation. Whether you call him a spy or an informant is irrelevant. Did Halper talk to Page, Papadopolous, and Clovis to assess if the Kremlin was attempting to infiltrate his campaign like the FBI claims, or were they trying to use him to sabotage Trump's campaign? I haven't seen any concrete evidence to suggest the latter. I am sure they put a spy in the Trump campaign to protect him from Russians. Ok. And if that was true, then why didn't they try to help Hillary too by placing a spy in her campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Halper was not the only spy put into the campaign. There were at least four - and some were in multiple campaigns (including Sanders'). I urge you to re-read the Hakulyt thread and the timeline posted today re the Phases of the Operation. When Halper was activated is key to disproving the narrative that he was there trying to suss out Russian influence. He was there to confirm the work of Steele and to be a FISC witness/source in the FISA application on Carter Page. He was also paid over 400k (in September of 16 - just days before the Yahoo News piece dropped) by the DoD and over $1m in total for three other DOD projects between Sept '16 and January 20th 2017: We know he met with Page and Steele on July 11, 2016 - six weeks before this payday, and well before Crossfire Hurricane was opened. He also was in meetings with Dearlove and potentially Steele several times in the fall of 2016. If he was doing what the FBI/MSM is suggesting, why did he start weeks before the investigation began? Why was he paying to have meetings with both Page and G-Pap - conveniently in locations close to his old stomping grounds at Hakulyt? He was a conduit between the British IC, Langley, and the FBI. But his handler was undoubtedly Brennan - which makes it a CIA operation, and a highly illegal one at that. There is real evidence here, not just speculations. Halper was a spy. He was working to entrap Trump team members. That's provable. What's up for debate still is who was he truly working for. My money is on Brennan when the dust settles - but I admit fully there's only circumstantial evidence to make that claim (for the time being). The real test will be if/when the FISA application is revealed. If Halper's name is included in it as confirmation of the dossier - then it's game over. Edit: Also consider this... it completely destroys the explanation: All interesting and Trump should declassify the Page FISA application. Just seems odd to me FBI didn't say Trump campaign was under investigation and that Hillary didn't use any information on Steele Dossier she helped fund against Trump before the election. As far as we knew, Hillary campaign was under FBI investigation and the Trump campaign was not on election day. I guess they were positive she'd win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: All interesting and Trump should declassify the Page FISA application. Just seems odd to me FBI didn't say Trump campaign was under investigation and that Hillary didn't use any information on Steele Dossier she helped fund against Trump before the election. As far as we knew, Hillary campaign was under FBI investigation and the Trump campaign was not on election day. I guess they were positive she'd win. I understand where you're coming from and respect it. But she did use the information from the dossier, and from the 702 collection, before the election. The dossier was leaked to the media starting in September, and its content fueled rumors/campaign talking points/op-eds for weeks. Remember the FBI-CID didn't inform Congress (or the Gang of Eight who they were legally required to notify) of the investigation until late October - and only then because the Clinton campaign leaked (through its media outlets) that the FBI had an investigation into Trump's campaign (Isikoff wrote his piece in September, the WSJ coordinated with Strzok/Page all through Sept-Oct to push Steele's info in the form of "unnamed sources"). No one knew the FBI was investigating Trump because in reality they weren't. They were covering their own butts and trying to ensure she won so they'd never be exposed. You're spot on with the last sentence. They were sure she was going to win. She was never supposed to lose... had she won, none of this would be coming to light and the illegal political spying apparatus would have been turned back on. That's why this is such a big issue regardless of politics or party. This cannot be allowed to happen again, that means it cannot be allowed to go unreported on or unpunished. Not just little fish getting Scooter Libby sentences, there needs to be strong examples made of big fish to send the message that this kind of overreach can never happen again. Edited May 28, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I beg to differ. Trump doesn’t “Get even.” He “Gets ahead.” Look for EVERY Democrat running for office to have an FBI spy “protecting” them this fall and in 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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