Mat68 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Removing Cam's rookie year makes little sense. He was not expected to be a good pocket passer off thr start. Seems to have some revisionist history. The premise is correct to me. Everyone is going horizontal, run the ball and go vertical. Imo to help Allen they need to find a guy with deep speed and stress the offense. Maybe they think a healthy streater is that guy but im not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollBillsRoll Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Perry Turtle said: He's easily the most talented QB on the Bills roster, Most talented? Or biggest arm? You've got a a guy with 2 national titles Lost 3 games in three years Finished 2nd in Heisman Voting Won the Maxwell Award as Top College Football Player Won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm award And a guy the SI asked "is he the best ever?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, RollBillsRoll said: Most talented? Or biggest arm? You've got a a guy with 2 national titles Lost 3 games in three years Finished 2nd in Heisman Voting Won the Maxwell Award as Top College Football Player Won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm award And a guy the SI asked "is he the best ever?" None of that means a thing with respect to his NFL capabilities as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, RollBillsRoll said: Most talented? Or biggest arm? You've got a a guy with 2 national titles Lost 3 games in three years Finished 2nd in Heisman Voting Won the Maxwell Award as Top College Football Player Won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm award And a guy the SI asked "is he the best ever?" And then every team in the league passed on him at least 4 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 15 hours ago, Zac said: I'd be surprised if Allen is never a 60%+ completion % guy, but that's just me. I understand the principal of the article though. To be fair, Cam Newton has only ever completed 60% of his passes twice in 7 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDRUM Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 For anyone of you who doubts Allen go watch REisen podcasts with Trent Dilfer and then Jordan Palmer. Both those former qbs said comp% is worst way to judge accuracy and that he was the most accurate of all qbs they worked with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 i just don’t see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, eball said: After watching some tape on Allen since he was drafted (mea culpa -- I watched nary a bit on any QB before the draft) I have come around to the conclusion that he is not, per se, "inaccurate." The film I've watched since we drafted him confirms what I saw before we drafted him - he has area code accuracy too often. On a lot of throws he'll get the ball somewhere in the vicinity of his receiver but it isn't precise ball placement that maximizes YAC. That worries me more than anything else because I don't think that can be improved. I think precise ball placement is more or less a natural ability. That's where Chris is coming from in this article, we have to accept that Allen's ball placement will not always be precise, but he will be able to make certain throws that no other QB can make. Our offense will need to be designed around this fundamental limit to his game. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Drool worthy throw! He is more accurate on throws like this than he is on screens. Our offense will need to be built on big plays downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollBillsRoll Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: None of that means a thing with respect to his NFL capabilities as a QB. Oh, I 100% agree. But what else can you base talent on? Looking good vs. air in shorts and helmet, sure you can get an idea, measuring how far you can throw a ball, yes another metric. Josh Allen looks amazing at both of those things. I am not saying anything negative about him. My post was more to the point that don't discount other metrics for measuring talent. Championships, experience, awards, stats, level of competition, winning against NFL competition, playoff experience, etc. vs. Throwing the ball a long way... I just don't buy that you have a guy who has all these accomplishments and accolades, has done it over and over against the best in CFB, is LESS talented than a guy who hasn't... Time will tell and I am looking forward to the competition. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RollBillsRoll said: Oh, I 100% agree. But what else can you base talent on? Looking good vs. air in shorts and helmet, sure you can get an idea, measuring how far you can throw a ball, yes another metric. Josh Allen looks amazing at both of those things. I am not saying anything negative about him. My post was more to the point that don't discount other metrics for measuring talent. Championships, experience, awards, stats, level of competition, winning against NFL competition, playoff experience, etc. vs. Throwing the ball a long way... I just don't buy that you have a guy who has all these accomplishments and accolades, has done it over and over against the best in CFB, is LESS talented than a guy who hasn't... Time will tell and I am looking forward to the competition. Go Bills! You don't have to buy it, but NFL talent evaluators do and that's exactly why he was a 5th round pick who subsequently had no takers when he reached UFA until he accepted backup money from the Bills after all of the starting QB jobs were filled. Speaks volumes whether you want to accept it or not. Edited May 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Here's a plan for the Bills to get the most out of Josh Allen, and it involves Cam Newton When creating a scheme for Allen, the Bills should look to a quarterback head coach Sean McDermott knows well by Chris Trapasso By drafting Josh Allen, the Bills took the biggest risk of all the teams that selected a quarterback in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft. Despite being the most physically-imposing quarterback to enter the NFL in some time, the Wyoming product joins the league with three major flaws to his game. That combination led to Allen being one of the most polarizing signal-caller prospects of the last decade, but he was still a top-10 pick. The moment his name was announced by Roger Goodell, I was confused as to why the Bills decided to take a risk on such a dicey project at quarterback in this draft of all drafts, and I'm skeptical it will work out for him in Buffalo. My concerns with Allen are as follows: Lack of consistent accuracy Habitually leaving the pocket at the first sign of pressure Tendency to "overextend" plays while improvising, frequently throwing off-balance into precarious situations Completion percentage is based on thrown balls caught, it is not a good measurement of accuracy. What percentage of Completions would Rosen had if he played in the wind and cold with the same talent Allen had. Allen had a 68% completion rate in the senior bowl when he played with more talented team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDRUM Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 All Allen needs to do is complete 1 more ppg and he'd be 60%. With that arm talent and athleticism that's all we need in WNY for him to be potentially all pro by his 2nd season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollBillsRoll Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You don't have to buy it, but NFL talent evaluators do and that's exactly why he was a 5th round pick who subsequently had no takers when he reached UFA until he accepted backup money from the Bills after all of the starting QB jobs were filled. Speaks volumes whether you want to accept it or not. You sir speak the truth...nothing to be argued. Simply stating that there are other qualities and/ormetrics to look at when looking at talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 Just now, RollBillsRoll said: You sir speak the truth...nothing to be argued. Simply stating that there are other qualities and/ormetrics to look at when looking at talent. He'll have a great chance to prove exactly what kind of QB he is beginning with OTAs all the way through the preseason. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: I've missed you well look who's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Just now, teef said: well look who's here. oh my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said: oh my that's right. pointing to my junk and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: that's right. pointing to my junk and everything. By your junk you mean Applebees right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 In college Aj Mccarron had vastly superior talent around him vs the team they played every game of his career. In college the better roster wins. Im interested to see how Allen does when he is not at a talent disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The film I've watched since we drafted him confirms what I saw before we drafted him - he has area code accuracy too often. On a lot of throws he'll get the ball somewhere in the vicinity of his receiver but it isn't precise ball placement that maximizes YAC. That worries me more than anything else because I don't think that can be improved. I think precise ball placement is more or less a natural ability. That's where Chris is coming from in this article, we have to accept that Allen's ball placement will not always be precise, but he will be able to make certain throws that no other QB can make. Our offense will need to be designed around this fundamental limit to his game. He is more accurate on throws like this than he is on screens. Our offense will need to be built on big plays downfield. I don't agree. Allen has precise throwing accuracy with his arm...when his feet are set and he has proper motion. He's proven that. The issue is that he had such sloppy footwork at Wyoming that caused not-so-perfect throws. Not to mention his extreme gunslinger mentality that was never fully addressed for one reason or another. Either (a) his coaches at Wyoming didn't care to correct his mechanics and decision-making because he made so many big plays regardless of them that the good outweighed the bad, (b) his coaches were too inept to properly teach him, or (c) they taught him but he either refused to or is incapable of learning. I'm guessing it's not (c) because he seemed to make progress under Palmer in the pre-draft process - at least with regard to his footwork. I think the answer is mostly (a) - the only way to score touchdowns or make plays in that horrid offense with his struggling surrounding support was to force plays. Although I'm sure Allen deserved some blame as well. Can this staff teach him how to manage a football game? We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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