Midwest1981 Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Acattack15 said: Josh Allen is anything but a nightmare situation like the majority of you think. He's ultra talented and going to be a great pick. let him legitimately sit for 1 year (like 3rd string behind Peterman & Mccarron) and let him get comfrortable in the NFL lifestyle / NFL playbook. Then cut him loose in 2019. Long term investment. It will pay off if nutured correctly and given the necessary time/coaching he needs. Patience. I personally don’t characterize drafting Allen as a “nightmare situation”- it’s just not my ideal one and I find other options (whomever the Jets don’t select between Mayfield/Rosen) more appealing. I’ve had an openness to Allen and as a result I’ve warmed up to him more than I thought I would. But he still is going to require patience and exceptional tutelage, which I’m not sure we have (neither is Trent Dilfer- he said on WGR yesterday that our situation is the most worrisome from that standpoint). Edited April 25, 2018 by Midwest1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Traded away all those talented players and passed on Patrick Mahomes for Josh Allen. I can't believe I've waited a year for this day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 The more panic I see on this board regarding Allen, the more I want Buffalo to draft him And keep in mind, he's my QB4...that's how much I will enjoy studying his NFL career arc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: The more panic I see on this board regarding Allen, the more I want Buffalo to draft him And keep in mind, he's my QB4...that's how much I will enjoy studying his NFL career arc If it's Allen at 12, I'm fine with that....because at that point you really are Drafting potential. But trading up to #2 or even #4 where the Draft capital will be enormous, I'm not good with that scenario. Obviously, the Bills aren't asking me, but I wouldn't like it. Now, if Allen doesn't go #1 overall, I do think he slips to at least #5 and maybe even further. Again, if we're talking 7th, that's probably just a 3rd rounder this year and maybe a 4th 2019 or something like that....that I would like less than staying put, but I'm not marching OBD with pitchforks and torches. It's too far...and I'll be asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The more panic I see on this board regarding Allen, the more I want Buffalo to draft him And keep in mind, he's my QB4...that's how much I will enjoy studying his NFL career arc Drafting Josh Allen to own the libs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 7 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Allen didn't get any college offers after high school and went to the well-know powerhouse Reedley College. After 2 years at that junior college, (playing against other programs like Monterey Peninsula College) he tried to get a scholarship to a 4 year school and had only two colleges interested. He went to Wyoming (in the 7th best football conference) and his senior year the highest ranked team they beat was Colorado State, #83 nationally. He had a 30 QB rating against Iowa and a 6 (six) rating against Colorado. His completion percent was 53, & 56%. in the pros it goes down about 10%. How in the heck is this guy a top 6 QB? https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons This sums it up for me. His talent was not great around him but he wasn't playing against top talent. Assuming Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield are unattainable, Stay pat at #12, take the BPA & at #22 take either Jackson or Rudolph, hopefully one of them will still be available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The more panic I see on this board regarding Allen, the more I want Buffalo to draft him And keep in mind, he's my QB4...that's how much I will enjoy studying his NFL career arc I admittedly don’t wish for the Bills to take him BUT I would love to see him do well whatever he goes. He has really been bashed throughout the predraft process (not just here - everywhere!) more than any qb I can remember. I feel bad for him because I know he will get booed when he’s drafted. He seems like a great kid and will root for him to succeed wherever he lands (unless it’s our division) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I admittedly don’t wish for the Bills to take him BUT I would love to see him do well whatever he goes. He has really been bashed throughout the predraft process (not just here - everywhere!) more than any qb I can remember. I feel bad for him because I know he will get booed when he’s drafted. He seems like a great kid and will root for him to succeed wherever he lands (unless it’s our division) This is what makes it awful. He's such a nice kid. I want him to succeed because the NFL is littered with bad QB play and it makes the games unwatchable but I do not want to be the team that takes a chance on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 If it's Allen, then yes. Someone will need to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Drafting Josh Allen to own the libs Meh, forget "owning" anyone. I want to watch how this kid develops; he'll be the most interesting case study in NFL history by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: If it's Allen at 12, I'm fine with that....because at that point you really are Drafting potential. But trading up to #2 or even #4 where the Draft capital will be enormous, I'm not good with that scenario. Obviously, the Bills aren't asking me, but I wouldn't like it. Now, if Allen doesn't go #1 overall, I do think he slips to at least #5 and maybe even further. Again, if we're talking 7th, that's probably just a 3rd rounder this year and maybe a 4th 2019 or something like that....that I would like less than staying put, but I'm not marching OBD with pitchforks and torches. It's too far...and I'll be asleep. No. You draft potential in the late 2nd round at the earliest. At #12 you get a lineman or linebacker who will be a starter for a decade and several times an all pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, greeneblitz said: hahaha, "resign" you clowns kill me, we'd be lucky to land him, probably is gonna be the next Ben Rothlesberger, definitely has the highest ceiling in the draft and here we are a team that has had nothing but garbage at QB for 20 years. I swear 90 percent of our fans don't watch a single game of a guy before you endlessly trash them, the guy makes a lot of lower percentage throws, yards in chunks, throws on the run, his accuracy looks just fine, get of the stat lines and watch the kid play. You've said Josh Allen is a generational talent and Lamar Jackson is a receiver. You could work in the NFL, and I'm not joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The more panic I see on this board regarding Allen, the more I want Buffalo to draft him And keep in mind, he's my QB4...that's how much I will enjoy studying his NFL career arc I like Allen a lot. But I'm not convinced that he is the type of qb that you shed meaningful assets to move up for. I would have no qualms giving up valuable picks to get Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. When you watch the trio I mentioned you can be confident that their more refined skills can translate to the pros. You can't honestly say that about Allen. No question that Allen has physical attributes that are enticing. But his overall game is so raw that there is a legitimate concern as to whether his game will be develop to be considered a good franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: No. You draft potential in the late 2nd round at the earliest. At #12 you get a lineman or linebacker who will be a starter for a decade and several times an all pro. Because all-pro linemen and LBs are always the key pieces to winning Super Bowls 1 minute ago, JohnC said: I like Allen a lot. But I'm not convinced that he is the type of qb that you shed meaningful assets to move up for. I would have no qualms giving up valuable picks to get Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. When you watch the trio I mentioned you can be confident that their more refined skills can translate to the pros. You can't honestly say that about Allen. No question that Allen has physical attributes that are enticing. But his overall game is so raw that there is a legitimate concern as to whether his game will be develop to be considered a good franchise qb. Of course I'd prefer to stick at 12 and get him, but that's very, very unlikely to happen. You need to feel really comfortable that your grade between Allen and the guy you can get at 12 (which may or may not be Jackson) is close enough to wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Josh Allen never played against Colorado and his completion percentage was never 53%. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html I meant Oregon sorry. http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/josh-allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 All aboard the Allen@5 train. Chooo choo. Watch a bit of him instead of just mindlessly bashing because you want YOUR guy. He is very much an option and should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Because all-pro linemen and LBs are always the key pieces to winning Super Bowls Of course I'd prefer to stick at 12 and get him, but that's very, very unlikely to happen. You need to feel really comfortable that your grade between Allen and the guy you can get at 12 (which may or may not be Jackson) is close enough to wait. You misinterpreted my post. I would be willing to go up for Allen if the organization had a conviction on him. But not to the extent that I would for the aforementioned trio. I would comfortably give up an extra first round pick, and even more, for the more polished trio . I would be more judicious in how I worked a deal for the bigger Josh. That's my point. I like Allen and I am intrigued by him. But it has to be acknowledged that there is a longer road he must travel before he can get to the point of being an authentic franchise qb. Is he a Blake Bortles with imposing measurable and uninspired play or is he a Roethlisberger whose physicality and understanding of the game influences the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: You misinterpreted my post. I would be willing to go up for Allen if the organization had a conviction on him. But not to the extent that I would for the aforementioned trio. I would comfortably give up an extra first round pick, and even more, for the more polished trio . I would be more judicious in how I worked a deal for the bigger Josh. That's my point. I like Allen and I am intrigued by him. But it has to be acknowledged that there is a longer road he must travel before he can get to the point of being an authentic franchise qb. Is he a Blake Bortles with imposing measurable and uninspired play or is he a Roethlisberger whose physicality and understanding of the game influences the game? Blake Bortles much like EJ actually has to process how to make each throw. It’s painful to watch. I see nothing like that from Allen. I have watched a fair amount of him the past 3 days and I don’t see why everyone hates this kid. The way he throws outside the pocket is much more Big Ben than Bortles, he also moves much better than Ben ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Blake Bortles much like EJ actually has to process how to make each throw. It’s painful to watch. I see nothing like that from Allen. I have watched a fair amount of him the past 3 days and I don’t see why everyone hates this kid. The way he throws outside the pocket is much more Big Ben than Bortles, he also moves much better than Ben ever did. I want to make it clear that I like Allen and have been a proponent for him. But I'm not willing to invest the same amount of assets for him that I would for Rosen or Darnold. The issue is value judgment. There are qbs who when you judge them on their attributes they are off the charts. But how you play doesn't always rise to the level of one's parts. Again, I like Allen but what I would give up to get Allen is less than what I would give up to get Darnold or Rosen. That's basically my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, JohnC said: You misinterpreted my post. I would be willing to go up for Allen if the organization had a conviction on him. But not to the extent that I would for the aforementioned trio. I would comfortably give up an extra first round pick, and even more, for the more polished trio . I would be more judicious in how I worked a deal for the bigger Josh. That's my point. I like Allen and I am intrigued by him. But it has to be acknowledged that there is a longer road he must travel before he can get to the point of being an authentic franchise qb. Is he a Blake Bortles with imposing measurable and uninspired play or is he a Roethlisberger whose physicality and understanding of the game influences the game? We are generally in agreement; I guess I'm more willing to both (a) give up assets and (b) be wrong about the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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