BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Look At Me Post. LOL ok.... some fools in this message board have said that I had a LAMP post. They can go to hades, I’ll still post whatever I want. This is a message board after all. And I didn’t think you have a LAMP post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buftex said: I will always say, John McCargo was th worst 1st round pick of the Bills, sine 1980... and we traded up to get him Mike Williams? #4 overall pick taken over Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, Dwight Freeny, and Albert Haynesworth JP Losman? Another trade up that literally cost us Aaron Rodgers the following year. We would have had the #20 pick in 2005 without the trade. Rodgers was drafted #24 Aaron Maybin. Never even recorded a sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Beyond that — I think maybin was the most foreseeable bust probably. Dude barely qualified as a sack artist in college. Im curious if he meant biggest bust or worst pick. Subtle changes in interpretation can make a big difference in the discussion. Big mike was the big bust... but was he the worst pick? For sure that makes a difference... Williams played a bit , badly, but played lol He was just a very disappointing pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: My list for worst 1st rounders would definitely be Maybin and Mike Williams McCargo was drafted late first and I never expected much Trading up for John McCargo was simply unacceptable! Eric Flowers was another horrendous pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: LOL ok.... some fools in this message board have said that I had a LAMP post. They can go to hades, I’ll still post whatever I want. This is a message board after all. And I didn’t think you have a LAMP post LAMP Post is a redundant statement. The P in LAMP means Post. Kind of like ATM Machine PIN Number CAC Card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, /dev/null said: Mike Williams? #4 overall pick taken over Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, Dwight Freeny, and Albert Haynesworth JP Losman? Another trade up that literally cost us Aaron Rodgers the following year. We would have had the #20 pick in 2005 without the trade. Rodgers was drafted #24 Aaron Maybin. Never even recorded a sack Never record a sack with the Bills.... some members of this forum consider players good draft picks for a Bills GM if they had success on other teams after they left Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Trading up for John McCargo was simply unacceptable! Eric Flowers was another horrendous pick Yea he sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Buftex said: I will always say, John McCargo was th worst 1st round pick of the Bills, sine 1980... and we traded up to get him For real. The third of three Dlineman picked in the first round from the same team, and we got the last. Talk about sloppy seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: LAMP Post is a redundant statement. The P in LAMP means Post. Kind of like ATM Machine PIN Number CAC Card Got in man... some fool in here said I had a LAMP post. I swear some of the members here can be such divas about a damn message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Never record a sack with the Bills.... some members of this forum consider players good draft picks for a Bills GM if they had success on other teams after they left Buffalo None of the 3 that I cited had success on other teams after they left Buffalo. Except JP Losman who led the Las Vegas Locomotives to a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said: For real. The third of three Dlineman picked in the first round from the same team, and we got the last. Talk about sloppy seconds. Ironically McCargo, as bad as he was, played 5 seasons with the Bills. Quite the long tenure for a player who was injured and underperformed regularly. 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: None of the 3 that I cited had success on other teams after they left Buffalo. Except JP Losman who led the Las Vegas Locomotives to a Super Bowl Maybin had about a half-season run with the Jets. He racked up 6 sacks as a pass rush specialist which is not bad, but certainly not worthy of his draft status. Though many on this message board would disagree if he did it as a Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: Better trade both away for 1 good one then... To a partner that you dreamt up in your imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) I wonder if Chris has been told by management to help start letting people down from disappointment of not moving up again. Edited March 25, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaru523 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I remember being pretty upset in '09 when they drafted Maybin, I was really hoping they'd take Brian Orakpo and when they announced Maybin's name................ I also couldn't understand why they moved up and gave up their 3rd rounder to take John McCargo in '06. There's no doubt he would've still been there at #42 and looking back now, he would've been there at 73. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Buftex said: I will always say, John McCargo was th worst 1st round pick of the Bills, sine 1980... and we traded up to get him The Gimp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Amaru523 said: I remember being pretty upset in '09 when they drafted Maybin, I was really hoping they'd take Brian Orakpo and when they announced Maybin's name................ I also couldn't understand why they moved up and gave up their 3rd rounder to take John McCargo in '06. There's no doubt he would've still been there at #42 and looking back now, he would've been there at 73. Two great examples of what Beane was alluding to when he spoke about valuing a prospect. Put a value on a player through film work, interviews & medical info reports. Don't reach for a prospect after the post season olympics begins unless their measurable's are supported by what is seen on the field. The Bill's fell in love with Maybin's "quick twitch" off the line, the problem was, most of his sacks came against lower talent opponents. When I watch his games against better OL (Iowa & USC) you didn't even notice him on the field, as a matter of fact these team decided to run right at him until Paterno decided to take him out of the game.They also loss the fact that his seasonal playing weight was listed at 230 LBs (actual weight was closer to 220 LBs) , way to small for a DE that had questionable coverage ability to play OLB. But during the post season olympics Maybin merculistly gained 25-30 lbs (weighed in 250LBs) at the combine. The same can be said for McCargo, he was an interior penetrator (at best) when drafted but IIRC, the coaching staff changed from an even front to the 3-4. Essentially dooming any chance of him succeeding. I like that Beane has put control measures to address chasing after a potential need and start reaching for a player NOT rated as highly on their board. Or getting caught up in the gamesmanship of the draft. Hopefully, he follows the process and doesn't lose his way in his inaugural draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, pimp on da' net said: Two great examples of what Beane was alluding to when he spoke about valuing a prospect. Put a value on a player through film work, interviews & medical info reports. Don't reach for a prospect after the post season olympics begins unless their measurable's are supported by what is seen on the field. I like that Beane has put control measures to address chasing after a potential need and start reaching for a player NOT rated as highly on their board. Or getting caught up in the gamesmanship of the draft. Hopefully, he follows the process and doesn't lose his way in his inaugural draft! From 06-09 Marv/Jauron/Brandon used the draft to fill needs far too often and wound up taking lesser prospects as a result. It was a perfect storm of bad back then: tight finances to spend in UFA, bad drafting and multiple scheme changes. Beane's been around and it's not his first rodeo, but this has to be a foundational draft for the franchise. Anything less is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, BillsVet said: From 06-09 Marv/Jauron/Brandon used the draft to fill needs far too often and wound up taking lesser prospects as a result. It was a perfect storm of bad back then: tight finances to spend in UFA, bad drafting and multiple scheme changes. Beane's been around and it's not his first rodeo, but this has to be a foundational draft for the franchise. Anything less is unacceptable. I am alluding to this being his first draft as a GM...I understand that he has been through the process before as an assistant. There is a difference when the focus is on you. I agree that with the draft capital that he has, this draft will be pivotal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Buftex said: I will always say, John McCargo was th worst 1st round pick of the Bills, sine 1980... and we traded up to get him Maybin is right up there also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 4 hours ago, /dev/null said: Mike Williams? #4 overall pick taken over Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, Dwight Freeny, and Albert Haynesworth JP Losman? Another trade up that literally cost us Aaron Rodgers the following year. We would have had the #20 pick in 2005 without the trade. Rodgers was drafted #24 Aaron Maybin. Never even recorded a sack You know, Mike Williams was not worthy of a #4 pick...if he had been drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, his career likely would have not been judged as harshly...he wasn't completely useless..even spent some decent seasons with the Redskins after we let him go. JP wasn't great (obviously) but he started some games, had 2 or 3 decent outings, at a position that we all know is hardest to fill. Maybin was pretty much a waste too...but he never really got on the filed while in Buffalo. When he went to the Jets, for a minute, he made a few plays. McCargo did absolutely nothing, for anyone, ever, at the NFL level. Though, in fairness, I think he may have recovered a special teams fumble, one time. The Bills kept him for the extent of his contract, becuase he was too cost prohibative to release. He was really terrible. If you recall, he was Mario Williams college teammate...lesser draft analysis experte were saying McCargo was mostly responsible for Mario's success in college...the Bills bought into the hype. He was never strong enough, or tough enough, to play at the NFL level. Most experts saw him as a 4th or 5th round pick at best. Even after Buffalo released him, he couldn't make it out of training camps in Chicago and Tampa Bay. I might give you Maybin as being worse, but part of my criteria for McCargo being worse revolves aroung the fact that when the topic of "worst Bills 1st round picks" comes up, McCargo is rarely mentioned..not becuase he was just okay...but because nobody remembers him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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