Wayne Cubed Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: hey they traded up for Losman. how'd that work out? They traded up from the 2nd round to draft the 4th ranked QB in the draft, they drafted Lee Evans with their first pick in the 1st round. This is exactly what is being suggested in this thread. Don't move up and grab one of the top prospects and instead draft pieces that will end up leaving in FA and take a second tier QB. So yea, tell me how that worked out? It didn't but lets do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: I prefer Mayfield personally. Perhaps a bit, but the point remains that to be successful, you need to build a team. Isn’t the old adage that games are won and lost in the trenches? Not anywhere. In today's NFL it is all about how you pass the Football. We are in the Golden Era of the Passing League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: They traded up from the 2nd round to draft the 4th ranked QB in the draft, they drafted Lee Evans with their first pick in the 1st round. This is exactly what is being suggested in this thread. Don't move up and grab one of the top prospects and instead draft pieces that will end up leaving in FA and take a second tier QB. So yea, tell me how that worked out? It didn't but lets do it again. 4th ranked by whom? Maybe the Bills liked Losman the best among the QBs in the draft. They also gave up a boatload of picks for Rob Johnson and he flamed out. It’s about getting the right guy. I think it’s clear that the process is about building a team and not about adding individual talent. I am not arguing that McCarron is better than Rosen or that we shouldn’t draft a QB. My point is that you can’t pin all of your hopes on drafting one player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: 4th ranked by whom? Maybe the Bills liked Losman the best among the QBs in the draft. They also gave up a boatload of picks for Rob Johnson and he flamed out. It’s about getting the right guy. Seriously? Is that why they were trying desperately to trade up to get Roethlisberger, because they had Losman among the best? Or how about this, if he was ranked as "among the best" why didn't they select him with the 11th pick? Edited March 22, 2018 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 hours ago, KingRex said: My guess is that McD has a realistic view of the situation in that he and his on field braintrust bring a lot to the table and it was no accident he has cultivated a winning attitude which brought this team to the playoffs!!! But, he simply sucks at young QB development and also has let his hope of winning overwhelm his football intelligence when he stupidly asked a 5th round drafted rookie to lead the team to the playoffs. My sense is this means two things: 1. I doubt he is drafting a QB with an expectation that player is going to contribute much to the 2018 Bills on the field 2. Rosen leading his college team to an 18-20 record is gonna count heavily in McDs mind as he works to build a winners' ethic here in Buffalo. yep he sucks....especially if he drafts that bell guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: If only the academic standards at UCLA were more like Bama. The 25th percentile ACT score is 25, and the 75th percentile ACT score is 33 for UCLA. The average ACT is 29. It’s 23 and 32 for Alabama with an average ACT of 27. For undergrad, the two schools aren’t as dissimilar as you might think. UCLA has much better graduate programs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: The 25th percentile ACT score is 25, and the 75th percentile ACT score is 33 for UCLA. The average ACT is 29. It’s 23 and 32 for Alabama with an average ACT of 27. For undergrad, the two schools aren’t as dissimilar as you might think. UCLA has much better graduate programs. You don’t think the standards are slightly different for the football program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 Alabama has been attracting great students. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: You don’t think the standards are slightly different for the football program? Not that I know of. Do you have data to indicate that they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: So basically the Bills should carry on doing what they've been doing for the past 21 years. It's been working so well for them, I don't see a problem with this at all. Lol right? I sense a wee bit o bias here;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 20-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Even with Rosen, who is largely believed to be a savior by many here, UCLA was a mediocre team. Why do you think that he would make a mediocre team great in the NFL? If you replace Josh Rosen with say the college equivalent of Tyrod Taylor they would be no where near 18-20. UCLA was criminally bad and only stayed afloat because of the singular brilliance of Josh Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: 20-23 One. Others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) McCarron for one thing was on an extremely stacked Alabama team that probably could of beat the Bills back then. Which is why he wasn't drafted early. So the win loss record comparison isn't really a comparison at all Edited March 22, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Alabama has been attracting great students. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ Not that I know of. Do you have data to indicate that they are? http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2009/12/university_of_alabama_athletes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: If you replace Josh Rosen with say the college equivalent of Tyrod Taylor they would be no where near 18-20. UCLA was criminally bad and only stayed afloat because of the singular brilliance of Josh Rosen. They were 10 - 3 the year before Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: They were 10 - 3 the year before Rosen. How many key players did they lose between those years.. Not that I am a huge Rosen fan, but people use the talent surrounding argument to justify Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, and then conveniently forget it when pulling for McCarron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: They were 10 - 3 the year before Rosen. Are you seriously arguing UCLA got worse with Josh Rosen? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2009/12/university_of_alabama_athletes.html UCLA can add another record-breaker to its list of sports statistics: largest SAT score gap between athletes and non-athletes. According to a new survey of 54 public universities released by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the average athlete at UCLA scored 247 points lower on the SATs than the average non-athlete, a greater difference than at any other university surveyed. http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: One. Others? Goff, Cutler, Bledsoe, Matt Hasselbeck, Mahomes 32 minutes ago, ddaryl said: How many key players did they lose between those years.. Not that I am a huge Rosen fan, but people use the talent surrounding argument to justify Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, and then conveniently forget it when pulling for McCarron The UCLA defense was ranked 127/130 and the rushing attack was ranked below 100 as well. Their passing Offense was ranked 4th. It's safe to say that the talent around him was lacking. Edited March 22, 2018 by Batman1876 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: The realism is, nobody knows anything until the game is played. NFL and College are not level playing grounds. While no one has played a game, reality does indicate that unless a QB has a strong supporting cast he will never win it all. The QB is not the lone wolf Savior. He has to have a strong supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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