Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Interested in hearing your arguments as to why you feel that Beane should take either Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at 12, in the event that the Browns and Giants are unwilling to trade out of their spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 They shouldn't. Either trade up for who you want or wait until another draft to draft a QB. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc said: They shouldn't. Either trade up for who you want or wait until another draft to draft a QB. what if they want Jackson... or Rudolph for that matter? and there is nothing in this thread that can be said that hasn't been harped and rehashed over and over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Jackson, yes. He has the potential to be something spectacular. He needs to sit behind a teacher though, like McCown or McCarron. Rudolph has a lot to like, but I keep seeing a lower-ceiling Gabbert/Bortles in him. The Steelers like him as a project and I think is well-suited for the second round, but I would never pick him in the first. I’m one more wrong than I am right though, so hopefully I’m wrong about this. To me, no quarterback in this draft has a higher bust potential than Rudolph. Edited March 21, 2018 by DFT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 They shouldnt because neither are as good as AJ. Trade up for Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield or hope one of the three falls. If they dont take best front 7 defender on the board or trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, DFT said: Jackson, yes. He has the potential to be something spectacular. He needs to sit behind a teacher though, like McCown or McCarron. Rudolph has a lot to like, but I keep seeing a lower-ceiling Gabbert/Bortles in him. The Steelers like him as a project and I think is well-suited for the second round, but I would never pick him in the first. I’m one more that I’m right though, so hopefully I’m wrong about this. To me, no quarterback in this draft has a higher bust potential than Rudolph. What makes him spectacular though? Because he can run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Bills Detective said: What makes him spectacular though? Because he can run? That’s an understatement, but yes. He is as gifted as a running QB as there has been, coming out. But he has great intangibles, too. There’s a whole demension to his game that was never developed and I think that’s what has teams like Buffalo and other QB needy teams intrigued. It’s the teams that have QBs that worry me. NE, NO and NYG all are said to be high on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: What makes him spectacular though? Because he can run? he also threw for decent amount of yards in college. look at his throwing stats. they exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 They shouldn't be the pick. Jackson makes sense for a playoff team who can stash him on the bench for a year or two, and Rudolph makes sense in round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, DFT said: That’s an understatement, but yes. He is as gifted as a running QB as there has been, coming out. But he has great intangibles, too. There’s a whole demension to his game that was never developed and I think that’s what has teams like Buffalo and other QB needy teams intrigued. It’s the teams that have QBs that worry me. NE, NO and NYG all are said to be high on him. But, how many running QBs have led their teams to Super Bowl wins in the modern era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Maybe a good QB with a great team wins more than a great QB with no team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: he also threw for decent amount of yards in college. look at his throwing stats. they exist With truly no focus on mechanical development whatsoever. He was wildly successful with or without his legs. If he develops, he could be the steel of this draft. He absolutely has to go to the right situation though. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: But, how many running QBs have led their teams to Super Bowl wins in the modern era? Fair assessment. You have the Newton’s, Wilson’s and the Vick’s, etc. you could make an argument for Wentz as well. But that’s the great thing about the NFL, is parody. There was a time where the dual-threat QB was the hot button. That time is coming back as more and more focus is placed on athletic abilities of QBs. I don’t see him as a running quarterback as much as I see him as a gifted, under-developed prospect that has elite, elite, ELITE athleticism. Like I said, I’m more wrong than right. My wife wrote a book on it. It’s in the non-fiction section. Edited March 21, 2018 by DFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Doc said: They shouldn't. Either trade up for who you want or wait until another draft to draft a QB. But that probably means waiting until 2020. As I have said before something might come from left field for the 2019 draft like a one year starter playing his way into contention but as we stand now and today I don't think you are finding your franchise Quarterback in the 2019 draft. That said..... Jackson or Rudolph at #12 is a no for me. If I can't get up or get one of my top 3 at that spot I would take the BPA if that is a true impact player or slide back a few spots with a team who does want Jackson and collect more picks. If either of the two of them are still there at #22 however, then I pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, DFT said: With truly no focus on mechanical development whatsoever. He was wildly successful with or without his legs. If he develops, he could be the steel of this draft. He absolutely has to go to the right situation though. yup. i think he has to be with the right creative coach who will use him properly. It's funny...people often say foles and other qbs will only be successful in certain systems. my immediate thought is...ok lets run that system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Jackson is a project who could one day be something like a Michael Vick, a true weapon as a runner and a passer. He needs to develop. I actually see a lot of Cunningham in his game. Rudolph is a project who could some day be something like Brandon Weeden. He has the potential to be an average to below average backup. I wouldn't take either in the first round, but Jackson at least has the potential to be something. Jackson round 2, Rudolph round 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: yup. i think he has to be with the right creative coach who will use him properly. It's funny...people often say foles and other qbs will only be successful in certain systems. my immediate thought is...ok lets run that system. His future will be tied to his first coach. I just hope that he finds his way to a prospect developer and not someone like Doug Marrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Lamar had Petrino mentoring him. He's more ready than a lot of people think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jr1 said: Lamar had Petrino mentoring him. He's more ready than a lot of people think I disagree heavily and respectfully. I love Petrino, but my opinion is he left a lot of the development on the table (which is truly unlike him) and took advantage of his QBs natural athleticism. This kid has infinite untapped potential as a QB. Edited March 21, 2018 by DFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said: what if they want Jackson... or Rudolph for that matter? and there is nothing in this thread that can be said that hasn't been harped and rehashed over and over again... Is that's who they want then fine. I'm saying don't settle for a QB because/if the top-4 are off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, DFT said: His future will be tied to his first coach. I just hope that he finds his way to a prospect developer and not someone like Doug Marrone. i agree. it's funny. russell wilson would not have been successful imo on any other team than the seahawks. he has developed into a great qb. they had almost no offense the first few years with him. throwing for just over 3000 yards, running a lot but that defense allowed 14 points. i hope we get the guy who will develop and we can put the team around him to develop. That's why I am so hesitant to give up so many picks for a guy cause you can end up turning him into david carr. the qbs needs to come into the right situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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