Madd Charlie Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I like a few QB's in the draft but nowhere near as much as most seem too. I'm really interested in what the average person around here sees that I don't. I would love to know what your best NFL comparison is to who you think the top prospects could become. The way I see it: Sam Darnold = Chad Pennington, Sam Bradford Josh Rosen = Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Possible attitude comp: Jay Cutler Baker Mayfield = Drew Brees, Doug Flutie Josh Allen = Ryan Mallet, Kyle Boller Lamar Jackson = Mike Vick, Tyrod Tylor Mason Rudolph = Case Keenum, Blake Bortles Any of these guys could turn out to be a star in the right situation but they all have significant bust potential. We definitely have to draft a Qb this year but I wouldn't trade the majority of the Bills picks for any of these guys. The second tier guys Kyle Lauletta, Mike White, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk are not that far off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Oh dear, Geno Smith isn't in the same universe as Rosen, IMO. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Madd Charlie said: I like a few QB's in the draft but nowhere near as much as most seem too. I'm really interested in what the average person around here sees that I don't. I would love to know what your best NFL comparison is to who you think the top prospects could become. The way I see it: Sam Darnold = Chad Pennington, Sam Bradford Josh Rosen = Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Possible attitude comp: Jay Cutler Baker Mayfield = Drew Brees, Doug Flutie Josh Allen = Ryan Mallet, Kyle Boller Lamar Jackson = Mike Vick, Tyrod Tylor Mason Rudolph = Case Keenum, Blake Bortles Any of these guys could turn out to be a star in the right situation but they all have significant bust potential. We definitely have to draft a Qb this year but I wouldn't trade the majority of the Bills picks for any of these guys. The second tier guys Kyle Lauletta, Mike White, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk are not that far off. This may be the silliest comparisons I've ever seen and I'm being serious. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Madd Charlie said: I like a few QB's in the draft but nowhere near as much as most seem too. I'm really interested in what the average person around here sees that I don't. I would love to know what your best NFL comparison is to who you think the top prospects could become. The way I see it: Sam Darnold = Chad Pennington, Sam Bradford Josh Rosen = Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Possible attitude comp: Jay Cutler Baker Mayfield = Drew Brees, Doug Flutie Josh Allen = Ryan Mallet, Kyle Boller Lamar Jackson = Mike Vick, Tyrod Tylor Mason Rudolph = Case Keenum, Blake Bortles Any of these guys could turn out to be a star in the right situation but they all have significant bust potential. We definitely have to draft a Qb this year but I wouldn't trade the majority of the Bills picks for any of these guys. The second tier guys Kyle Lauletta, Mike White, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk are not that far off. What?? Chad Pennington?? Pennington had a huge arm strength question coming into the draft. Darnold does not. They aren't even close to each other in terms of strengths and negatives. Rosen and Geno Smith?? Seriously you're not even doing a good job trolling. Edited March 20, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I think Rosen is better than what you're suggesting. And if I thought Mayfield was another Brees I'd move up to 1 and get him. But I don't think he is. It's like every year: teams are desperate to find that one guy so QBs picked way higher than maybe their talent suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Darnold -> Winston Rosen -> Eli Manning Mayfield-> Brees Allen -> Anderson with a bigger arm White -> Schaub Jackson -> Vick with less accuracy Rudolph -> Bridgewater Edited March 20, 2018 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Is it allowed for them to be Sam, Josh, Baker, etc? I always find it weak to make gross comparisions that never align correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Madd Charlie said: I like a few QB's in the draft but nowhere near as much as most seem too. I'm really interested in what the average person around here sees that I don't. I would love to know what your best NFL comparison is to who you think the top prospects could become. The way I see it: Sam Darnold = Chad Pennington, Sam Bradford Josh Rosen = Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Possible attitude comp: Jay Cutler Baker Mayfield = Drew Brees, Doug Flutie Josh Allen = Ryan Mallet, Kyle Boller Lamar Jackson = Mike Vick, Tyrod Tylor Mason Rudolph = Case Keenum, Blake Bortles Any of these guys could turn out to be a star in the right situation but they all have significant bust potential. We definitely have to draft a Qb this year but I wouldn't trade the majority of the Bills picks for any of these guys. The second tier guys Kyle Lauletta, Mike White, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk are not that far off. Well I guess we know which one you like! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 At this point, I've done my most film review on Sam Darnold. He reminds me of Brett Favre with his style of play. Darnold is a gunslinger, always looking to push the ball downfield. You almost never see him settling for check-downs. This can be both good and bad, because he also forces things to heavy coverage. This was Favre's style exactly. I also see similarities in the way they move around the pocket, and in their unconventional mechanics when throwing. How anyone can see noodle-arm Chad Pennington or check-down king Sam Bradford when watching Darnold is a complete mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Charlie Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Geno Smith has better college stats than Rosen. He did play one more year but if you look at the percentages they are closer than you think. Darnold has a stronger arm than Pennington but to me they play a similar game other than the fact Darnold has a better deep ball and is better outside the pocket. I could be wrong but so could the talking heads. We all can agree that theres no Luck Manning or Rivers here right? 18 minutes ago, billspro said: Darnold -> Winston Rosen -> Eli Manning Mayfield-> Brees Allen -> Anderson with a bigger arm White -> Schaub Jackson -> Vick with less accuracy Rudolph -> Bridgewater I could potentially agree with this Edited March 20, 2018 by Madd Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Madd Charlie said: I like a few QB's in the draft but nowhere near as much as most seem too. I'm really interested in what the average person around here sees that I don't. I would love to know what your best NFL comparison is to who you think the top prospects could become. The way I see it: Sam Darnold = Chad Pennington, Sam Bradford Josh Rosen = Geno Smith, Andy Dalton, Possible attitude comp: Jay Cutler Baker Mayfield = Drew Brees, Doug Flutie Josh Allen = Ryan Mallet, Kyle Boller Lamar Jackson = Mike Vick, Tyrod Tylor Mason Rudolph = Case Keenum, Blake Bortles Any of these guys could turn out to be a star in the right situation but they all have significant bust potential. We definitely have to draft a Qb this year but I wouldn't trade the majority of the Bills picks for any of these guys. The second tier guys Kyle Lauletta, Mike White, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk are not that far off. My comparisons would be (most likely comparison first, peak comparison second): Darnold: Current version of Jameis Winston, Philip Rivers Rosen: Eli Manning (but injury prone rather than being an ironman), Matt Ryan Mayfield: Jeff Garcia, this past year's version of Case Keenum Josh Allen: Blake Bortles, Cam Newton (but with more emphasis on passing than running) Lamar Jackson: Mike Vick, N/A (I don't think Lamar's potential peak is really comparable to any other QB before him) Mason Rudolph: Nathan Peterman, Elvis Grbac Kyle Lauletta: Colt McCoy, Alex Smith Edited March 20, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: What?? Chad Pennington?? Pennington had a huge arm strength question coming into the draft. Darnold does not. They aren't even close to each other in terms of strengths and negatives. Rosen and Geno Smith?? Seriously you're not even doing a good job trolling. Actually, Pennington's arm strength wasn't an issue until he injured his shoulder early in his career. I'm not sure if the OP's comparisons are valid but certainly this year's QBs all have serious questions just how successful they'll be as pros. The more I find out about them, the more I hope the Bills don't trade up any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
145B4IDIE Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I have some comparisons myself but I think I'll just start my own thread to share them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Geno Smith = Rosen??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: Actually, Pennington's arm strength wasn't an issue until he injured his shoulder early in his career. I'm not sure if the OP's comparisons are valid but certainly this year's QBs all have serious questions just how successful they'll be as pros. The more I find out about them, the more I hope the Bills don't trade up any further. From scouts on him: "Still, questions persist. In addition to his mobility, scouts have doubts about the arm strength of Pennington, who threw for 4,006 yards and 38 touchdowns last year. When asked about the criticism, Pennington merely shrugs his shoulders." Pennington absolutely had a weak arm coming out, and that's why his injury was so bad for his career. losing velocity when you already have subpar velocity is a death sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, Madd Charlie said: Geno Smith has better college stats than Rosen. He did play one more year but if you look at the percentages they are closer than you think. Darnold has a stronger arm than Pennington but to me they play a similar game other than the fact Darnold has a better deep ball and is better outside the pocket. I could be wrong but so could the talking heads. We all can agree that theres no Luck Manning or Rivers here right? I could potentially agree with this I honestly don't see any similarities between Geno Smith and Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, Dalton said: Is it allowed for them to be Sam, Josh, Baker, etc? I always find it weak to make gross comparisions that never align correctly. That's not how this works. Allowing a player time to carve out his own career takes time. We need instant comparisons so we can sleep easy at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Charlie Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, billspro said: I honestly don't see any similarities between Geno Smith and Rosen. For me it was the fact that his long game seems more evolved than his short game, injury concerns, attitude concerns and stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Madd Charlie said: For me it was the fact that his long game seems more evolved than his short game, injury concerns, attitude concerns and stats When I watched Geno Smith in college I felt he had trouble with accuracy beyond 8 yards and almost never went to his second read. I did not give him a very high grade at all. You can see Rosen make accurate throws at all three levels and go through progressions many times on tape. Rosens durability is definitely a concern. His attitude seems fine, he just has a different personality and sense of humor than most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Darnold = Unitas, Kelly, Harbaugh Rosen = Harrington Mayfield = Manziel Allen = Mallett Jackson = Manuel Rudolph = Brady, Rothlisberger, Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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