Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 You get caught spreading so much smoke and it backfires with your finger in the dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: What are you talking about? Nothing? We got SIX picks in the first three rounds, including moving up to #12. How is that for nothing? Do people here even pay attention to the reality of the NFL? After FA, its QUITE possible only 2 QB's go in the top 10 unless more teams (which there aren't a lot of candidates, if any) trade up into the top 10 for a QB. Only Cle and Jets are likely locks for a QB. This obsession for the Bills to trade up now is outdated, they have more options. Giants might elect to get Eli help rather than take a QB. And Denver spent good money on Keenum to be the starter, they didn't need a bridge if they were taking a QB at #5 as they already had 2 cheaper options on their roster to fill that role. Elway wouldnt have chewed up much needed cap space on Keenum if he was taking someone at #5 IMO. They will look to add D, and I think it will Fitzpatrick, at #5 to try and get that team back in position to make a deep playoff run this year before their window closes further. People need to relax with all this freak out and obsession with the top 4, its quite possible the QB the Bills prefer is NOT Rosen or Darnold, as each team has a DIFFERENT ranking of QB's than TSW fans here. The top 5 are all closely graded, Bills might be targeting Baker, Allen, or Lamar and will not NEED to go into the top 4 to get them. Just because some here think its got to be either Rosen or Darnold doesn't mean thats the Bills board or any teams board. Not every team has those 2 as the top 2 guys on their board. Yes its still plausible the Bills trade up, but its going to come down to whether the Bills see someone as a must get or not. And after FA, the whole landscape of the top 10 has a new storyline. If Bills covet a guy, which they very well could, they will make the big spend to trade up. But the point is, there are a LOT of options now in play after FA...so its not a trade up or bust scenario anymore is all I am trying to say. I find it kind of Ironic/funny you chose to call people out in the above bold as you did and then follow it by the underlined. It was there you lost me... Its the equivalent of declaring an important proclamation and then just farting. kinda funny though Edited March 19, 2018 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Why would they not? If I were a GM I'd contact every single team ahead of me to gauge their interest, even if I had no intention of moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Maybe it's scare tactics for teams to move up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'm pretty certain it is for pick 4. I am expecting that we are moving to 4, 5, or 6 to help NYG get their G. Also with Will Compton coming in along with Bodine & Newhouse, we are plugging holes via FA in order to move up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's not the situation I was replying to. Please dont "move the goalposts". Unless I misunderstood Alpha's post, he is suggesting the Bills shouldn't/don't want to move up any further. Or at least he doesnt think they should. I'm saying they definitely should keep going. You don't stop when you are this close. Of course, if the Browns and Giants dont want to play ball then we are screwed. And it's a major failure by Beane to not get that #3 overall pick which was obviously up for sale. I disagree that it is a failure to not get to 3. We do not know what was offered, but Indy has a say also and even if Beane offered a better overall value- in this limited draft the drop back to 6 is so much better than 12. We won’t know for a while what he plan or offers were, but the Bills can not force a trade - they can offer, but it takes 2 and the drop back for Indy makes sense - especially if the Bills move to 4 or 5 - the Colts could get their guy and extra picks and that was not happening if they moved to 12. They also have a chance to move back again with Buffalo or Arizona and maybe double dip on the trade for extra picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So much misinformation out there, I love it. If teams reach for a QB ahead of 12, that's their problem. We stay put and we're going to get one hell of a bargain, an immediate impact player. I may have more faith in McCarron than most but I felt similarly when Tyrod was brought in. True competition in camp brings out the best in a player at any position and for the Bills are QB it's wide open. I know that's going to be the case this preseason. You don't win 2 National Championships without that kind of internal drive to be your best. This truly is a New Era for the Bills. Happy to hold my head high and say I'm proud of this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Rochesterfan said: I disagree that it is a failure to not get to 3. We do not know what was offered, but Indy has a say also and even if Beane offered a better overall value- in this limited draft the drop back to 6 is so much better than 12. We won’t know for a while what he plan or offers were, but the Bills can not force a trade - they can offer, but it takes 2 and the drop back for Indy makes sense - especially if the Bills move to 4 or 5 - the Colts could get their guy and extra picks and that was not happening if they moved to 12. They also have a chance to move back again with Buffalo or Arizona and maybe double dip on the trade for extra picks. When you have the assets the Bills currently do, not out-bidding a division rival is definitely a failure. Just like it was a failure of Donahoe's to not make that trade with the Texans work. He ended up trading away the next year's 1st anyways. Think about the value Rothlisberger would have had for this team, especially versus Losman. It would have changed history. And there were plenty of questions about Ben at that time too, being from the smaller school. Indy was willing to play. Bills have a TON of assets, definitely more than the Jets. If nothing else happens, that pick should have been ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I was hoping they did, just to do their due diligence in finding out the cost to trade all the way up there. And if they aren't willing to trade it, ask about #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Is Beane drunk or not I need to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Is Beane drunk or not I need to know? Why? He'd tell you he is when he isn't and he isn't when he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I have a feeling people will be back tracking and tripping over words when the Bills get that #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: When you have the assets the Bills currently do, not out-bidding a division rival is definitely a failure. Just like it was a failure of Donahoe's to not make that trade with the Texans work. He ended up trading away the next year's 1st anyways. Think about the value Rothlisberger would have had for this team, especially versus Losman. It would have changed history. And there were plenty of questions about Ben at that time too, being from the smaller school. Indy was willing to play. Bills have a TON of assets, definitely more than the Jets. If nothing else happens, that pick should have been ours. And we know that the Bills were a recognized bidder to the Colts how? Did certain TBD board members get an exclusive invite to the auction? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: When you have the assets the Bills currently do, not out-bidding a division rival is definitely a failure. Just like it was a failure of Donahoe's to not make that trade with the Texans work. He ended up trading away the next year's 1st anyways. Think about the value Rothlisberger would have had for this team, especially versus Losman. It would have changed history. And there were plenty of questions about Ben at that time too, being from the smaller school. Indy was willing to play. Bills have a TON of assets, definitely more than the Jets. If nothing else happens, that pick should have been ours. I said it in another thread (no clue which one since there are a million of them on here), this FO will definitely be on the hot seat in fans eyes as a failure if they don't aggressively go after a QB. Last year, kick the can to this year, trade TT, only sign AJ, allow a division rival to upstage you - nope they will get roasted - rightfully so. Also whether they like it or not, just as the no playoffs in 17 years vs Terry's 3 years (only counting his ownership period) will not erase the failures of every administration after Polian's to secure a franchise guy. You already see them getting hammered on twitter. Saturday they posted a Happy St Patty's day tweet and every comment was this is what you are posting? The Jets just got pick 3, you better get to 2 and not screw up QB. Almost every tweet is like that, you can safely assume those comments have been filtered back up (not that they need to listen to the fans, but the point is being made). Can you imagine them trying to sell us Rudolph or Jackson? I can't... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I said it in another thread (no clue which one since there are a million of them on here), this FO will definitely be on the hot seat in fans eyes as a failure if they don't aggressively go after a QB. Last year, kick the can to this year, trade TT, only sign AJ, allow a division rival to upstage you - nope they will get roasted - rightfully so. Also whether they like it or not, just as the no playoffs in 17 years vs Terry's 3 years (only counting his ownership period) will not erase the failures of every administration after Polian's to secure a franchise guy. You already see them getting hammered on twitter. Saturday they posted a Happy St Patty's day tweet and every comment was this is what you are posting? The Jets just got pick 3, you better get to 2 and not screw up QB. Almost every tweet is like that, you can safely assume those comments have been filtered back up (not that they need to listen to the fans, but the point is being made). Can you imagine them trying to sell us Rudolph or Jackson? I can't... I think that Terry has his guys for a while and it will take more than one draft decision to force McBeane out the door. I actually think that Pegula has the bar set rather low for this fall given the turnover in players and OC. The test will be for McD to get a top 10 defense and the offense to show a modest increase in production. I seriously believe that barring disaster the current regime gets 4 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I said it in another thread (no clue which one since there are a million of them on here), this FO will definitely be on the hot seat in fans eyes as a failure if they don't aggressively go after a QB. Last year, kick the can to this year, trade TT, only sign AJ, allow a division rival to upstage you - nope they will get roasted - rightfully so. Also whether they like it or not, just as the no playoffs in 17 years vs Terry's 3 years (only counting his ownership period) will not erase the failures of every administration after Polian's to secure a franchise guy. You already see them getting hammered on twitter. Saturday they posted a Happy St Patty's day tweet and every comment was this is what you are posting? The Jets just got pick 3, you better get to 2 and not screw up QB. Almost every tweet is like that, you can safely assume those comments have been filtered back up (not that they need to listen to the fans, but the point is being made). Can you imagine them trying to sell us Rudolph or Jackson? I can't... I was actually against trading up at first. I wanted a better FA QB pickup and to build the team up in the draft. Then the Bills went to #12 and the switched is now flipped. I'm all about #1 or #2 pick as the consolation prize for not getting me a QB I can believe in. Edited March 19, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: And we know that the Bills were a recognized bidder to the Colts how? Did certain TBD board members get an exclusive invite to the auction? If they werent, then that itself is a major failure for Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: I think that Terry has his guys for a while and it will take more than one draft decision to force McBeane out the door. I actually think that Pegula has the bar set rather low for this fall given the turnover in players and OC. The test will be for McD to get a top 10 defense and the offense to show a modest increase in production. I seriously believe that barring disaster the current regime gets 4 years. By moving back last year and passing on 2 QBs for picks this year - they put a huge target on their backs this year. Granted, this is an IF, imagine the blowback if we sit back and our guy busts and the Jets is a franchise guy? Also with the reports of us trying to move up and not doing that - ugh brutal... Granted the reverse could be true and everyone looks like geniuses, but they put themselves in a bad spot last year and they are really under the magnifying glass now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I think that Terry has his guys for a while and it will take more than one draft decision to force McBeane out the door. I actually think that Pegula has the bar set rather low for this fall given the turnover in players and OC. The test will be for McD to get a top 10 defense and the offense to show a modest increase in production. I seriously believe that barring disaster the current regime gets 4 years. Of course it will be more than 1 draft. But if the Bills settle for a 2nd-tier QB, and they end up playing like a 2nd-tier QB, and we go 8-8, 6-10, 6-10 the next 3 years under that QB... McBeane is gone and in the pile with the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: By moving back last year and passing on 2 QBs for picks this year - they put a huge target on their backs this year. Granted, this is an IF, imagine the blowback if we sit back and our guy busts and the Jets is a franchise guy? Also with the reports of us trying to move up and not doing that - ugh brutal... Granted the reverse could be true and everyone looks like geniuses, but they put themselves in a bad spot last year and they are really under the magnifying glass now. Beane was not here last year unless you subscribe to the theories that he was operating from the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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