DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Edited March 8, 2018 by DCOrange 1 5
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 So Allen, Mayfield and Rosen have zip Rudolph and Jackson not so much
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Give me velocity numbers during actual games. Combine numbers? Don't care. 2
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. 3 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Remember when Deshaun Watson had a 49 mph ball speed at the 2017 Combine. That really meant a lot in Houston. 10 1 4
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:35 AM, H2o said: Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. Expand DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly 1
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:38 AM, horned dogs said: DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly Expand I believe he was exactly 49 as well. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Baker is the one that is impressive to me. I expected the rest. His arm is bigger than it feels. He had some zip all last week at the combine. That’s impressive. 2 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ 2
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:30 AM, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Expand DeShaun appears to be an outlier as I believe there is a pretty decent correlation with this and future success from the past?
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:37 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Remember when Deshaun Watson had a 49 mph ball speed at the 2017 Combine. That really meant a lot in Houston. Expand Deshaun Watson is light years ahead of Jackson as a passer. 2
Juice_32 Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:43 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ Expand Logan Thomas has a cannon. 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:43 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ Expand It does appear to be pretty scattered. Looks like you could say a preferred level for success is in the mid e50s. But, like I said ...scattered
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:47 AM, H2o said: Deshaun Watson is light years ahead of Jackson as a passer. Expand Watson has plenty to clean up in his game, but he makes plays.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:30 AM, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Expand Where did this conclusion that anyone throwing less than 55 mph has "no chance" come from? 2017 Trubisky 51/50 Watson 45/45 Peterman 49/49 - throw him out NOW! (jk) 2016 Dak Prescott 54 2013 EJ Manuel 54 -hey that explains a lot, why didn't we follow the rules *g* And then how do you deal with the "did not throw" guys like Darnold, Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Andrew Luck, Bob Griffin, Tannehill etc?
BisonMan Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Interesting Notables under 55: Deshaun Watson - 45 Nate Peterman - 49 Dak Prescott- 54 Mitch Trubisky - 51 AJ McCarron - 53 It seems a bunch of starters are right around 55, including Wentz, Mahomes, Winston and Mariota. The number appears arbitrary to me and may not be applicable in game conditions. Peterman’s ball seems a lot slower to me in game situations than Watson’s but he was 4mph faster at the combine. EdW
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 For more context behind the history of the ball velocity stuff: https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity
billspro Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:30 AM, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Expand Pretty sure we argued about this last year with Watson and he proved everyone wrong. Watson had the athletic ability and accuracy to make up for it though. 1
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