Chilly Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Because NFL scouts have such a great track record when it comes to evaluating QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: name is too generic. Armani Rogers? that's a superstar name. Ty Gangi is pretty legit of a name too. Brett Rypien is also Mark Rypien's nephew, so maybe we should go with him instead, you know, because the bloodline and all. Armani Rogers is only a freshman so keep an eye on this dude, could be the next Josh Allen! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Armani Rogers is only a freshman so keep an eye on this dude, could be the next Josh Allen! Should make an entire roster of great names. ARMANI Rogers LeCharles BENTLEY CADILLAC Williams LINCOLN Kennedy TAIWAN Jones JAZZ Peavy PAC-MAN Jones HA-HA Clinton Dix MONTGOMERY VANGORDER SPEEDY Morris I just want a roster full of guys like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2018-02-23 at 9:53 AM, Canadian Bills Fan said: I saw "Bleacher Report" in the link so I didn't even need to click on it Would have been accurate in 2011. BR is a good site now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Listen to what anonymous scout said to Dan Patrick about QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Here are some additional takes on Lamar Jackson from scouts: Albert Breer writes… “The evaluators I’ve spoken with have questions about his instincts and anticipation in the passing game, and his ability to process within the context of a pro offense, and still believe he’s more thrower than passer… He was seen as raw as a quarterback going into 2016, and the feeling on that remains the same.” In a piece penned by Sports Illustrated's Pete Thamel, the anonymous ACC coach declared that Clemson Tigers signal-caller Deshaun Watson is a superior prospect to Jackson—whom he believes does not have a future playing on Sundays. "Watson has a chance to be at least as good as [Jameis] Winston," he said. "We played he and Lamar Jackson, and Jackson has no shot at playing quarterback in the NFL. None. He can’t make the throws and can’t read coverages. He’s not going to have a chance. Watson stands tall in the pocket and whips the ball around like Ben Roethlisberger." Matt Miller Scouting notes in December 2017: "I don't know for sure where he'll play in our league, but he's f-ing exciting. I could also see someone breaking him in half the first time he's hit." —AFC defensive coordinator "With as much natural talent he has, there's developmental potential. The key will be how well his offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach can create a scheme for him—like Kyle Shanahan with RGIII—so he can have success early. Then you have to build on that success so defenses don't catch up to him." —NFC player personnel director "Well, I think the first question is what is he? I don't think he's a great passer despite good arm strength. I don't think he's a powerful enough runner to have success on the ground. So he'll have to learn to be a better thrower and stop relying on his legs. And if that doesn't work, move him to receiver." —former NFL general manager NFL.Com Bucky Brooks Nov. 2017. When I've discussed Jackson with scouting colleagues, I've heard him described as a "wow" athlete with intriguing talent. An AFC scout told me that he is a "create-a-player" playmaker with a set of skills that are typically associated with five-star players in video games. On the other hand, I've had plenty of scouts tell me that Jackson is more of a thrower than a passer and his sub-60 percent completion rate (59.8 percent this season) reflects his struggles with accuracy and ball placement. Bucky Brooks Analysis: In a league where passers are coveted at a premium, it's hard to sell an athletic quarterback with a run-first game to scouts and coaches looking for a polished pocket passer. That's why I wanted to check back in with Jackson to see if he has made enough progress as a passer to warrant consideration as a potential franchise quarterback at the next level. After studying the All-22 coaches' footage, I believe Jackson is an exceptional athlete with a combination of speed, explosiveness and burst that is hard to find in a quarterback. The 6-foot-3, 211-pound junior is a dynamic runner with a slippery running style that makes him nearly impossible to corral in the pocket. He excels on designed runs (QB draws, sweeps and zone-read plays) and is a defensive coordinator's nightmare as an improvisational playmaker. Jackson's average of 6.8 yards per carry this season is nearly a yard better than his average from his Heisman campaign. He has posted back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons as a runner while scoring 28 rushing touchdowns. Skeptics worry about his frame, but he is noticeably bigger and thicker than a season ago. That's helped him become a more physical and effective runner on the perimeter. As a passer, Jackson displays outstanding arm strength and range. He can push the ball down the field as an effective vertical passer on post and go routes. Although he struggles a bit with his ball placement and accuracy on home-run balls due to his shoddy footwork and fundamentals, Jackson has the capacity to strike up the band as a long-ball tosser. On short and intermediate throws, his struggles with inconsistency are also due to his unpolished mechanics. Jackson misses the mark on outside throws, particularly comebacks and deep outs beyond 12-15 yards. He frequently misses high and wide on those throws, which is largely due to his failure to properly step into his passes. Jackson is at his best when throwing isolation routes (seams and skinny posts) or simple reads (slants-flats; stick-go and curl-flat). Offensive coordinators will feature those concepts prominently in spread offenses, but NFL coordinators typically opt for full-field reads or pure progression concepts that require the quarterback to tie his eyes to his feet in the pocket. Thus, Jackson still has a ways to go as a passer before convincing traditional play callers that he can fill the role as a high-end QB1. That doesn't mean that Jackson shouldn't be considered a top prospect at his position. We've seen more NFL teams implement spread systems with simplistic reads if the quarterback flashes exceptional playmaking ability as a dual-threat (see Deshaun Watson, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson). With that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me to see a team place a solid grade on Jackson that reflects his potential to be a franchise QB. -- Bucky Brooks Edited February 26, 2018 by racketmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 21 hours ago, dpberr said: Can't teach attitude and can't teach accuracy. I don't have the details like some of you guys got but I think spending a lot of capital on a QB who can't complete 60%+ in college or who have reputations for being "brats" isnt ideal. In the case of <60% completions, it's worth asking "why?" If it's because the receivers have one of the highest drop % among QB prospects, maybe you take a closer look for yourself. If they didn't (Allen), you look at what happened when he had time to throw. If it's because the ball and WR weren't in the same zip code, Pass. I have no interest in judging anyone on their "media reputation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 A related article (great read) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917607/article/questions-to-ask-2018-drafts-top-qb-prospects-at-nfl-combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: A related article (great read) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917607/article/questions-to-ask-2018-drafts-top-qb-prospects-at-nfl-combine God damn you - I thought I beat you to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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