turftoe Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Certainly not this early. They haven't even had a chance to meet Rosen or Darnold at the combine or at pro days. Possibly a few weeks before the draft if they are sold on more than 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I believe there are good QBs in this draft but only three are ‘can’t miss guys,’ and even ‘can’t miss guys’ sometimes don’t turn out. I soundly believe in Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold. Trade whatever you have to, to get one. Those are the only three i think are legit starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I would only trade up to 1 or 2. Darnold and Rosen are the only 2 worth trading up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Playing well into their 40's means what Brady and Brees are doing right now. Manning is younger than both of them. Will those guys fall off a cliff? Maybe, but they are still championship level QB's and I think Giants would be foolish to put a premature end date on Eli's career which is what they'd be doing drafting a QB at #2 overall. Brees is age 39 and Manning is age 37 so , no, they are not doing that right now. They can talk about wanting to play into their 40's but if this fall or next fall they can't make a ten yard throw because their arm is nearly dead then they are not playing. Talk is one thing and actually doing it is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, PIZ said: I would only trade up to 1 or 2. Darnold and Rosen are the only 2 worth trading up for. Gotta disagree. Mayfield is just as good and worth a trade up, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Gotta disagree. Mayfield is just as good and worth a trade up, imho. Worth a trade up, but definitely more of a risk because of his height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Brees is age 39 and Manning is age 37 so , no, they are not doing that right now. They can talk about wanting to play into their 40's but if this fall or next fall they can't make a ten yard throw because their arm is nearly dead then they are not playing. Talk is one thing and actually doing it is another. How old was the MVP this year who also had an epic performance in the Super Bowl? Brady and Brees are playing at a championship level right now and are both older than Eli. Pats traded away a younger franchise QB. Edited February 7, 2018 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Worth a trade up, but definitely more of a risk because of his height. He measured 6 feet and 3/8 inch tall. Fine by me. If he were below 6, then yeah maybe it would come into play, but the kid can flat out ball. I guess technically more of a risk, but I don't see that mattering all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: How old was the MVP this year who also had an epic performance in the Super Bowl? Brady and Brees are playing at a championship level right now and are both older than Eli. Pats traded away a younger franchise QB. That still does not establish a trend which in turn would support your argument of playing well into their 40's. Which in turn if true would be justification for the Giants to put off a quarterback. Not enough for me but maybe somebody in the Giants FO if they checked this site on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 50 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Why? Go big or go home when it comes to the most important position on the field.....we are gonna have a lot of money next year to spend on free agents. Because IMHO, this Draft is so QB deep at the top, it is unnecessary to go all the way up for Rosen. IMHO, Rudolph would do well in the NFL and you can probably get him at 21. FWIW, depends on what you subscribe to in terms of philosophy and we all know what is said about opinions, but Chris Traspasso has Rudolph rated as his #1 QB, when I pushed him to give an answer as to why, he said most NFL ready along with all the other prerequisites. Others, like Rob Quinn, really don't like Rudolph but, one thing you can't argue is his production, which I've posted several times and his improvement has been really solid all the while demonstrating prototypical NFL QB traits. To me, you trade ALL the way up when you're desperate for a QB and there's one or two that you believe can be a good to great NFL QB, the year Winston and Mariota came out were a year like that.....this is a year when FA money isn't that plentiful and there are a TON of holes / needs to fill. When you bump that up against their plethora of picks, PLUS probably one or two more presuming some player trades occur - it makes the most sense to get the QB that comes to you, which in this year's Draft is probably a pretty darn good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: That still does not establish a trend which in turn would support your argument of playing well into their 40's. Which in turn if true would be justification for the Giants to put off a quarterback. Not enough for me but maybe somebody in the Giants FO if they checked this site on a regular basis. Or maybe somebody in Giants Front Office is checking what the Patriots Front Office is doing. Is the Patriots Front Office enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Or maybe somebody in Giants Front Office is checking what the Patriots Front Office is doing. Is the Patriots Front Office enough for you? Nobody in the Giants front office can will Manning's body to play at a high level one or two or three or more years into the future. What Tom Brady does and can do has no bearing on what Eli can do. Eli can eat right and exercise but a lot of it is beyond a person's control. From the Giants' perspective it would be a very good move to find Eli's replacement this year as many years the pickings are slim such as it was when we took EJM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Nope. The Bills need to reload at several positions in order to really have a team capable of going deep in the playoffs. The two firsts and 2 seconds can go along way toward building a TEAM capable of following getting the players they need in the trenches so they can pursue a franchise QB using the model of the Pits team winning the SB with a rookie QB. Trading away valuable resources for a QB will kill this TEAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Those are the only three i think are legit starters. Theyre the only three I feel great about. Thats why I want to trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, KingRex said: Nope. The Bills need to reload at several positions in order to really have a team capable of going deep in the playoffs. The two firsts and 2 seconds can go along way toward building a TEAM capable of following getting the players they need in the trenches so they can pursue a franchise QB using the model of the Pits team winning the SB with a rookie QB. Trading away valuable resources for a QB will kill this TEAM Some would argue we’ve already been dead for 20 years...however, your points are very valid...it’s what makes the debate so entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, KingRex said: Nope. The Bills need to reload at several positions in order to really have a team capable of going deep in the playoffs. The two firsts and 2 seconds can go along way toward building a TEAM capable of following getting the players they need in the trenches so they can pursue a franchise QB using the model of the Pits team winning the SB with a rookie QB. Trading away valuable resources for a QB will kill this TEAM Trade the 2 firsts and Glenn to get up to #3 to get your FRANCHISE QB. Then you still have the 2 seconds, the rest of the draft, and ~$30 million to build the TEAM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: i don't think i trust the scouts enough to give up that much to trade up for a QB. they would probably pick the biggest bust of them all. they will take Todd Blackledge and then Dan Marino will be picked in the 20's and we would have had him without trading up Yet if we take Beckledge than we can't get Tony Hunter! In terms of the original thread and trading up, I have no issues trading up to the top 2 as it could be a McEichel type move. Of course hopefully we get some get players with our remaining picks this year and use the available cap space to fill other holes. Edited February 7, 2018 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Unless Eli is telling them he's gonna retire next year, why would Giants voluntarily move on from a QB who's won 2 Super Bowls and has at least another 4 good years left? Goodness gracious, have you actually watched him play the last two years? What do you think he will look like FOUR years from now? My point is that the Giants are in a position to draft a potential franchise QB at a time when their guy is 36 years old. That's incredibly lucky timing. No way are they going to pass on a QB even if they wring another year or two out of Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Goodness gracious, have you actually watched him play the last two years? What do you think he will look like FOUR years from now? My point is that the Giants are in a position to draft a potential franchise QB at a time when their guy is 36 years old. That's incredibly lucky timing. No way are they going to pass on a QB even if they wring another year or two out of Manning. I honestly expect that three QB's will be taken within the first five picks and none of the top five teams will trade out of the top five because of it. I might see the Giants trading with Cleveland so the Browns can get Barclay and a QB but the Giants dropping back only to the 4 spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Trade the 2 firsts and Glenn to get up to #3 to get your FRANCHISE QB. Then you still have the 2 seconds, the rest of the draft, and ~$30 million to build the TEAM. This team is several quality starters away from going deep in the playoffs (this includes starting C, backup RB, #2 WR, 2 DTs, an LB, the franchise QB, A starting QB would be great, but without a decision to rebuild across the board getting him would be like putting a Formula 1 engine into a VW bug. Particularly without a rebuild of the OL we might as wsell keep Tyrod as our young QB will be running for his life, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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