Virgil Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 With a GM who may not want to give up the farm to trade up and a salary cap space that's needed with a huge amount of UFA's, what's the plan for if we aren't able to snag someone in FA or the draft who can compete for the starting job. Let's just assume that the Bills want in on ALL top QB's available. Cousins could easily go for a price tag outside of where we are willing to go. Two of the three Qb's in Minnesota are likely to be retained, but it's very well possible that we don't land the leftover. If they keep Keenum and Bridgewater, we may not even want Bradford. Then, let's say the Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold all go in the top 3-5 picks and we couldn't get a deal done to move up. I don't think any of those scenario's are unrealistic at all. So what then? Do we actually keep Tyrod and get someone in the later rounds we hope develops and wait until next year when there is less QB competition? Basically, what would plan C need to include to make you optimistic about our offense next year if we can't land the top 3 guys at QB or FA QB's? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Probably Tyrod is the correct answer as worst case scenario as this would be. I would be very upset if they failed to upgrade the QB position with such a rich QB FA period and draft. I fully expect them to sign a veteran QB like Smith and draft a young talent like Rudolph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 TT should not be part of any plan, having him on the team next year is a mistake. I rather see a 3-13 year then watch TT for a full year again. He is hindering the development of the offense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If Tyrod is retained I think that they draft a guy by Round 2. Maybe it is Rudolph or Jackson? With FA being before the draft I think that we have a sense for how aggressive they will be based on the veteran that they have. If they land Cousins they probably take a guy a little later with some upside. If it is anyone else I expect the Bills to take a QB in the 1st 2 rounds. Also, I know we have talked a lot about Alex Smith and I am starting to think that isn’t really an option. Beane is constantly talking about finding “a franchise QB.” Alex Smith is the definition of a solid vet. I don’t see the Bills being convinced that is him. The Bills will likely have a placeholder vet and an early pick QB. I’d say that is 65%, I’d say a trade way up is 25%, Cousins is 8% and Luck at 2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think plan C is probably Tyrod. Ill be optimistic tic no matter what happens... I'm always optimistic to start a new season. It's what keeps me coming back year after year. I also realize that Beane may not be able to solve our QB problem in his very first draft with the Bills, so I am willing to be a bit more patient than some. They have a ton of dead cap this season, from cleaning up the previous management's mess. They have a ton of holes to fill at starting positions, and they need depth at just about every spot on both sides of the ball. This is not a job that gets done in 1 year... I do think Beane will do everything he can to bring in a QB this offseason. But I don't think he will be stupid about it either. I don't want to see them reach to just draft a QB for the sake of taking one, like we did with EJ Manuel and I don't think they will do that. If they can get a guy they like, I am sure they will. If not, I'm willing to give them time. I actually have faith in this new front office and coaching staff which is something I haven't had in quite a while, so I guess that makes it easier for me to have some patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If Tyrod is retained I think that they draft a guy by Round 2. Maybe it is Rudolph or Jackson? With FA being before the draft I think that we have a sense for how aggressive they will be based on the veteran that they have. If they land Cousins they probably take a guy a little later with some upside. If it is anyone else I expect the Bills to take a QB in the 1st 2 rounds. Also, I know we have talked a lot about Alex Smith and I am starting to think that isn’t really an option. Beane is constantly talking about finding “a franchise QB.” Alex Smith is the definition of a solid vet. I don’t see the Bills being convinced that is him. The Bills will likely have a placeholder vet and an early pick QB. I’d say that is 65%, I’d say a trade way up is 25%, Cousins is 8% and Luck at 2%. I don’t think Smith is an option either. They aren’t paying Mahomes much, so they can afford both. Would you really use a 2nd round pick on a maybe QB when there are higher probability success choices at other need positions? If I can get a guy who is confident can be a starting DT with my second round pick, I’m taking him over a hopeful QB. I really don’t have an answer besides taking the BPA and seeing what happens. I’m overall hoping the QB’s don’t go 1-5 like that and one of them drops to 5-10 and we can trade up using only 2 picks. I will I’ll say that White kid from the Senior Bowl did look good. Although he had a strange way of stepping up into his throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) If Taylor is let go his cap hit is something like $8M. The bills could find a cheaper bridge unless they trade for Alex Smith. That would give enough time to develop a drafted QB. Very critical draft , free agency and trade time. Bridgewater and Bradford could also be a option if healthy. Edited January 28, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: They have a ton of dead cap this season, from cleaning up the previous management's mess. They have a ton of holes to fill at starting positions, and they need depth at just about every spot on both sides of the ball. Be honest - some of the salary cap mess is result of current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If Tyrod is retained I think that they draft a guy by Round 2. Maybe it is Rudolph or Jackson? With FA being before the draft I think that we have a sense for how aggressive they will be based on the veteran that they have. If they land Cousins they probably take a guy a little later with some upside. If it is anyone else I expect the Bills to take a QB in the 1st 2 rounds. Also, I know we have talked a lot about Alex Smith and I am starting to think that isn’t really an option. Beane is constantly talking about finding “a franchise QB.” Alex Smith is the definition of a solid vet. I don’t see the Bills being convinced that is him. The Bills will likely have a placeholder vet and an early pick QB. I’d say that is 65%, I’d say a trade way up is 25%, Cousins is 8% and Luck at 2%. Zero chance Rudolph or Jackson are still available in rd2 IMO. SMH If OBD again waits around for a QB to fall to them in the draft it will equal the same fail in finding one IMO. We all want to think this new staff is different but if it is the same waiting game as so many years past it will be the same results. So sick of this team always waiting to get the scraps left after other teams have eaten all the good stuff. As for if Tyrod many including myself want him gone. IMO many fans want to move on from having a QB teams scoff at about how they won big because they made our QB be a QB. I am so done with that. He is not worth half that contract IMO. Enough of the Rex hand picked QB. Edited January 28, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I don’t think Smith is an option either. They aren’t paying Mahomes much, so they can afford both. Would you really use a 2nd round pick on a maybe QB when there are higher probability success choices at other need positions? If I can get a guy who is confident can be a starting DT with my second round pick, I’m taking him over a hopeful QB. I really don’t have an answer besides taking the BPA and seeing what happens. I’m overall hoping the QB’s don’t go 1-5 like that and one of them drops to 5-10 and we can trade up using only 2 picks. I will I’ll say that White kid from the Senior Bowl did look good. Although he had a strange way of stepping up into his throws I’m not sure that is the best course of action either but it’s the route I think they will go. Agree that they have a ton of holes. There is a chance that they can plug a few starting spots in the draft. Bills Wire just did a 7 round mock that does that: http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/28/full-buffalo-bills-7-round-nfl-mock-draft-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not sure that is the best course of action either but it’s the route I think they will go. Agree that they have a ton of holes. There is a chance that they can plug a few starting spots in the draft. Bills Wire just did a 7 round mock that does that: http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/28/full-buffalo-bills-7-round-nfl-mock-draft-1/ Fill in all the teams need while avoiding the most important position, sounds just like the Whaley era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, ALF said: If Taylor is let go his cap hit is something like $8M. The bills could find a cheaper bridge unless they trade for Alex Smith. That would give enough time to develop a drafted QB. Very critical draft , free agency and trade time. Bridgewater and Bradford could also be a option if healthy. He adds $10M of dead space. Anything over $8M a year would add cap spending to the position this year. As an example if the Bills release Tyrod and add Bridgewater at $18M, it will be $28M of cap cost. Again that assumes a 1 year deal with all of the money hitting at once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Smith could be more of an option than people realize as KC is projected to be almost 9 million over cap for 2018 and they have other FA on team to sign as well as Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Virgil said: With a GM who may not want to give up the farm to trade up and a salary cap space that's needed with a huge amount of UFA's, what's the plan for if we aren't able to snag someone in FA or the draft who can compete for the starting job. Let's just assume that the Bills want in on ALL top QB's available. Cousins could easily go for a price tag outside of where we are willing to go. Two of the three Qb's in Minnesota are likely to be retained, but it's very well possible that we don't land the leftover. If they keep Keenum and Bridgewater, we may not even want Bradford. Then, let's say the Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold all go in the top 3-5 picks and we couldn't get a deal done to move up. I don't think any of those scenario's are unrealistic at all. So what then? Do we actually keep Tyrod and get someone in the later rounds we hope develops and wait until next year when there is less QB competition? Basically, what would plan C need to include to make you optimistic about our offense next year if we can't land the top 3 guys at QB or FA QB's? ....well I'm told I'm not taken seriously around here, but I will respond out respect for you and your excellent work......... 1. Tyrod stays or goes? It will depend upon the consensus offensive scheme they choose to run with major input from Daboll; secondly, he probably needs to restructure down from $18 mil number. 2. Try and trade for Alex Smith. Andy purportedly wants a 2nd but Alex comes along with one year left at $ 17 mil; offer a 3rd and see if you get get him for an additional year. Two years to groom the new 1st rounder and Peterman would work well. KC is currently $7.5 mil OVER the cap. 3. I don't see this gang surrendering draft capital to move up with a number of holes to be addressed. Allegedly, Rudolph should be available at 21 and I'm GUESSING he is their safe but perhaps unsexy pick. Edited January 28, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: Fill in all the teams need while avoiding the most important position, sounds just like the Whaley era. The questions raised is what if they can’t get Cousins or or trade up? That is what I am responding to. That is the topic of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not sure that is the best course of action either but it’s the route I think they will go. Agree that they have a ton of holes. There is a chance that they can plug a few starting spots in the draft. Bills Wire just did a 7 round mock that does that: http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/28/full-buffalo-bills-7-round-nfl-mock-draft-1/ I could get behind that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: The questions raised is what if they can’t get Cousins or or trade up? That is what I am responding to. That is the topic of this thread. Oh so this comment has nothing to do with your other one in this thread that stated. "If Tyrod is retained I think that they draft a guy by Round 2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Zero chance Rudolph or Jackson are still available in rd2. SMH If OBD again waits around for a QB to fall to them in the draft it will equal the same fail in finding one IMO. We all want to think this new staff is different but if it is the same waiting game as so many years past it will be the same results. So sick of this team always waiting to get the scraps left after other teams have eaten all the good stuff. As for if Tyrod many including myself want him gone. IMO many fans want to move on from having a QB teams scoff at about how they won big because they made our QB be a QB. I am so done with that. Enough of the Rex hand picked QB. I would say that there is a decent chance that Rudolph and/or Jackson is there in round 2. Some team is going to sign Cousins and 4 teams are going to take Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen. Additionally, someone made trade for Alex Smith. That is 6 teams addressing the QB before the middle of the 1st round!! I’m not saying that waiting is a good plan. I don’t think just grabbing a guy to do it is a good plan either. That’s the EJ strategy. The goal isn’t to get “a” guy it is to get “the” guy. Either do what you need to do that or move on. 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: Oh so this comment has nothing to do with your other one in this thread that stated. "If Tyrod is retained I think that they draft a guy by Round 2" Tyrod, in my scenario, represents “bridge vet.” I have the odds of “bridge vet” at 65%. If the Bills go with “bridge vet” I think that they take a QB before the end of round 2. I’m not saying it is right or wrong it is what I think that they will do. You can insert any of about 8 guys as “bridge vet.” At the cap cost though I’d say Tyrod is as likely as just about any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I still think they will probably go with Peterman and a draft pick and have them battle it out. But there really is just no way to tell as of right now. I'm very anxious so see how all this unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Virgil said: I could get behind that draft. Yeah, they’d add 4 day 1 starters and a guy capable of being a star at RB. That would be a massive upgrade to the talent on this roster. Edited January 28, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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