Bakin Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Or can he play in the 4-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 He would be great in a 4 3 imo. He is the next Ngata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 As big and strong as he is, he is supposed to have freaky quickness and can do a lot more than tie up blockers. I think he'd be fine in a 4-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 One of the few 1 techs that can be a very, very good 3 tech, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think he is a real bills draft target possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 He plays we 43 now, would be cool to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) On 1/22/2018 at 1:31 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: One of the few 1 techs that can be a very, very good 3 tech, IMHO. Yea I think he's probably a 1 tech and 3 tech. He's way too tall to be a traditional 0 tech nose Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think he's probably out of Buffalo's reach, but to answer the question, he can without a doubt play in the 4-3 IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 He honestly reminds me a lot of Dareus coming out in terms of ability. Massive man, rare quickness for a man his size, can toss players off, and can handle double teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 can't teach size. when you got it you got it. this could be the guy we need to plug up the middle and replace Dareus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 2:42 PM, Buffalo716 said: Yea I think he's probably a 1 tech and 3 tech. He's way too tall to be a traditional 0 tech nose Our two best NTs of all time (with apologies to Freddy), were Ted Washington and Pat Williams, 6’4” and 6’3” inches, respectively. Height is not a concern if a nose tackle can consistently play with the proper pad level. There have been many great NTs who were tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Our two best NTs of all time (with apologies to Freddy), were Ted Washington and Pat Williams, 6’4” and 6’3” inches, respectively. Height is not a concern if a nose tackle can consistently play with the proper pad level. There have been many great NTs who were tall. Thats true but the game is changing. It's tough to get lower than a 6'1 guy when your 6'5 And he's listed at 6'5 taller than mount Washington and Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Thats true but the game is changing. It's tough to get lower than a 6'1 guy when your 6'5 And he's listed at 6'5 taller than mount Washington and Pat What aspect is changing? Are you suggesting there is a movement towards shorter centers and guards in the league? Interior OLmen average 6’4”. I won’t belabor the point so I’ll just say that height is not a concern for a nose tackle if his technique is sound. And if it isn’t, it won’t matter if he’s shorter, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, K-9 said: What aspect is changing? Are you suggesting there is a movement towards shorter centers and guards in the league? Interior OLmen average 6’4”. I won’t belabor the point so I’ll just say that height is not a concern for a nose tackle if his technique is sound. And if it isn’t, it won’t matter if he’s shorter, anyway. Well first I never said he couldn't play nose tackle. Just that he is a bit taller than your average Nose and is probably a better 1 tech. technique is exactly what's changing.15-20 years ago Nose Tackles could rely on their size and strength. You couldn't move mount washington regardless if you got under him. now offensive lineman , especially centers , have very good technique. The average center is around 6'3. A 6'3 center with good technique should win alot of the matchups vs a 6'5 vea at the nose. It's not a knock on vea if he's a 0 tech Nose, he will have to fight hard every play for leverage... the center is fighting for leverage as well... Damon Harrison is the perfect example of a modern 0 Tech when he was with the jets. 6'3 340... not that Vea cannot do it... he just has to play very technique sound football every play. He's a bit tall. Alan Branch is 6'6 350 and has played Strong side end, 1 tech, 3 tech and the nose he is very similar to Vea to me Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well first I never said he couldn't play nose tackle. Just that he is a bit taller than your average Nose and is probably a better 1 tech. technique is exactly what's changing.15-20 years ago Nose Tackles could rely on their size and strength. You couldn't move mount washington regardless if you got under him. now offensive lineman , especially centers , have very good technique. The average center is around 6'3. A 6'3 center with good technique should win alot of the matchups vs a 6'5 vea at the nose. It's not a knock on vea if he's a 0 tech Nose, he will have to fight hard every play for leverage... the center is fighting for leverage as well... Damon Harrison is the perfect example of a modern 0 Tech when he was with the jets. 6'3 340... not that Vea cannot do it... he just has to play very technique sound football every play. He's a bit tall. Alan Branch is 6'6 350 and has played Strong side end, 1 tech, 3 tech and the nose he is very similar to Vea to me Every NT, regardless of height is going to have to play sound technique or he is gonna get his ass handed to him, regardless of his height. Height is simply not the concern you make it sound like it is. In fact, all things being equal between a 6'5" or a 6'3" NT, most coaches would prefer the taller player. I don't agree that technique has undergone some grand evolution, either. Line play, since time began, is about leverage. Athletes and schemes have changed, but that's not the same thing. I think your comparison to Branch is spot on. Vea can play any of the interior positions on the DL and his ability in that regard is what sets him apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, K-9 said: Every NT, regardless of height is going to have to play sound technique or he is gonna get his ass handed to him, regardless of his height. Height is simply not the concern you make it sound like it is. In fact, all things being equal between a 6'5" or a 6'3" NT, most coaches would prefer the taller player. I don't agree that technique has undergone some grand evolution, either. Line play, since time began, is about leverage. Athletes and schemes have changed, but that's not the same thing. I think your comparison to Branch is spot on. Vea can play any of the interior positions on the DL and his ability in that regard is what sets him apart. I may make too much out of height but the brand of football I was brought up On and the style of 34 defense i coach I prefer shorter NTs and longer DEs. I drool over 6'5 310 lb ends . Muhammad Wilkerson type hes a great player and certainly versatile. It really is pointless to argue the height because it's not like he's 6'8 i just think he's probably a better fit in a 43 defense as a 1 technique Edited January 23, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I may make too much out of height but the brand of football I was brought up On and the style of 34 defense i coach I prefer shorter NTs and longer DEs. I drool over 6'5 310 lb ends . Muhammad Wilkerson type hes a great player and certainly versatile. It really is pointless to argue the height because it's not like he's 6'8 i just think he's probably a better fit in a 43 defense as a 1 technique My favorite Wilkerson photo. Freakishly long arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: My favorite Wilkerson photo. Freakishly long arms. Even the dude in the back is like good god lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 15 hours ago, K-9 said: My favorite Wilkerson photo. Freakishly long arms. I believe that is why Kyle wasn't at his best playing 3-4 DE. He doesn't have the length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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