The Teddy Bridgewater Thread

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....Vikes give Keenum a nice starter deal like Glennon+....Teddy gets a back up deal with starter incentives and Bradford is the odd man out......and no to Bflo for Sam.....

 

 

Keenum doesn't sign for Glennon money, $15 mill a year, or rather if I'm Keenum, I sure don't sign for that. Not even close. When has Glennon ever had a year like Keenum just had? Hell when has Glennon ever had a year like Bridgewater's 2015? He hasn't. This is Keenum's time to cash in. Someone will give him good money and if they don't he won't sign long-term, I suspect.

 

And Teddy doesn't sign a backup deal as it would make him more likely to be the backup.

 

I can see them trying to sign both and maybe even succeeding, but they're going to have to spend to do it, IMHO.

 

12 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...interesting....unfortunately what Teddy WANTS versus what the market dictates may be apples versus oranges.....look at the QB market in two tiers.....Glennon at $15+ mil versus Carr at $25+ mil.......which tier would you put Teddy in based on experience and coming off a serious injury?......logically it would be Glennon but would you gamble on that deal not knowing if TB is back to normal AND for the long term?...expensive roll of the dice IMO.........

 

 

So if the Vikes don't give him that deal, which could certainly happen, if I'm Teddy, I say, "So long, and thanks for all the fish," and I go out looking for offers. My bet is somebody gives him a contract somewhere in the $17 - $20 range. I would like it to be Buffalo, and for the Bills to also draft someone high.

 

Teddy had a really good 2015, as a second-year guy. We don't know what his ceiling is but he likely hasn't reached it if his knee is OK, and it probably is.

 

My guess is they keep Keenum and decide they can't afford both.

Edited January 24, 2018 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

I don't think Teddy is staying in MIN without a guarantee that it is an open competition for the job in camp.  I think that is more important to him than the $$s.  If Keenum is the starter and Teddy is offered a backup role he moves on. 

[ALF]

Keenum looked more like a backup QB again against the Eagles. It was Pat Shurmur  who had him playing so well before Schwartz had him figured out.

 

Shurmur was also the Eagles OC in 2013 that had Foles look so good.  Minn has a tough decision to make unless their QBs compete in camp  for starter position  like GunnerBill said.

 

Giants could trade down , rebuild and Shurmur will take it from there .  imo

 

Giants Fans, Meet Pat Shurmur

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/24/new-york-giants-head-coach-pat-shurmur-themmqb-newsletter

Edited January 24, 2018 by ALF
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[Thurman#1]

On 1/22/2018 at 4:13 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Someone else showed he throws to his WRs 4% more frequently than TT.

 

His offenses are terrible.  In the 4th Q he has a career total of 5 TDs and 4 ints.  in the second half of all games in his career, he has 9 TDs and 9 ints---those are totals.  Trailing with 2 minutes or less to go, he has zero TDs, 1 int.  His rating is 69.

 

 

In 2015, Teddy's fourth-quarter totals were 66.4% completions, a very good 7.46 YPC, 3 TDs and 2 INTs and a rating of 90. Last two minutes of a half he  completed 60.9% for a low 6.22 YPA, but 5 TDs and 2 INTs and a rating of 90.8

 

Those are his splits from ESPN.

 

And that was as a 2nd year man. That can't be understated. Tyrod got to Buffalo and started starting in his fifth year. He had a major head start, but didn't use it well.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Giants could trade down , rebuild and Shurmur will take it from there .  imo

 

That is exactly what I suspect they are planning to do. I think Gettleman and Shurmer are going to take a similar approach to what McDermott did this year in Buffalo.  Park the QB decision for a year, rebuild the culture in the locker room which is totally broken - lean on Eli as a leader.  I think they will build the lines and dump some big underperforming defensive contracts and then do what it takes to go big at Quarterback in 2019.  

[Thurman#1]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is exactly what I suspect they are planning to do. I think Gettleman and Shurmer are going to take a similar approach to what McDermott did this year in Buffalo.  Park the QB decision for a year, rebuild the culture in the locker room which is totally broken - lean on Eli as a leader.  I think they will build the lines and dump some big underperforming defensive contracts and then do what it takes to go big at Quarterback in 2019.  

 

 

Interesting. Hadn't really thought of that but you could be right.

 

On the other hand, much better to get the new guy in and get him watching film and developing for a year ... if possible. Could go either way, I guess. But the Giants won't be sure to get the #2 pick next year. That'll weigh heavy in their deliberations.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Interesting. Hadn't really thought of that but you could be right.

 

On the other hand, much better to get the new guy in and get him watching film and developing for a year ... if possible. Could go either way, I guess. But the Giants won't be sure to get the #2 pick next year. That'll weigh heavy in their deliberations.

 

Yea I would not be surprised if they picked a QB at #2... it is what I would do.  I think the way they botched the Eli thing this season is making this all much more complicated for them.  My gut tells me they are going to be open to offers and based on Beane's comments yesterday I think the sense around the league is that they will as well.  Maybe that changes between now and April when they get these guys in. They could easily fall in love with one of these Quarterbacks and decide to go that route.  But as of now if you are a team wanting a trade partner then the Giants at #2 are still very much on the table.  

[Jpsredemption]

He was never good in the first place so not sure why now after he shredded his knee he will become the all pro he never was destined to be.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

This sheds some light on the Vikings' QB situation from a local perspective. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

In 2015, Teddy's fourth-quarter totals were 66.4% completions, a very good 7.46 YPC, 3 TDs and 2 INTs and a rating of 90. Last two minutes of a half he  completed 60.9% for a low 6.22 YPA, but 5 TDs and 2 INTs and a rating of 90.8

 

Those are his splits from ESPN.

 

And that was as a 2nd year man. That can't be understated. Tyrod got to Buffalo and started starting in his fifth year. He had a major head start, but didn't use it well.

 

 

Big deal.  The highlighted numbers are below mediocre for 16 quarters of play.  I was responding to a post that claimed TB was a 4th Q clutch QB.  He isn't as the splits I posted prove.

 

Dak Prescott is far better after 2 seasons.  Winston was better.   So was Mariota. etc.

 

It doesn't matter whaere the two (TT and TB ) are in their careers as starters.  The only question is, by replacing TT with TB, what are you getting right now?  I say "not much".

 

He is what he is, a guy who doesn't pass for many yards or TDs, and doesn't score with his legs. He is not suddenly going to become a totally different kind of QB.  A prolific one.

 

It would make far more sense to keep TT and draft a QB than to get rid of TT and just roll with TB.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is exactly what I suspect they are planning to do. I think Gettleman and Shurmer are going to take a similar approach to what McDermott did this year in Buffalo.  Park the QB decision for a year, rebuild the culture in the locker room which is totally broken - lean on Eli as a leader.  I think they will build the lines and dump some big underperforming defensive contracts and then do what it takes to go big at Quarterback in 2019.  

Eli is at the end of the road. Although is a stout person it is hard for a qb to be the leader of the team when at this stage in his long career he is a faltering qb. If the Giants would pick up a qb such as Bridgewater because of the complicated situation in Minnesota then I can see your scenario play out. If Shurmer and the front office believe that Rosen or their preferred qb in this draft is going to be their long term franchise qb then I don't see your scenario playing out. 

 

Shurmer's speciality is the offense and working with qbs. For his own career interests it is better to get a high end qb prospect on board in the beginning of his tenure than later in his tenure. As a Buffalo fan you should know very well that when you wait you fall into the category of aint!

Edited January 24, 2018 by JohnC

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Eli is at the end of the road. Although is a stout person it is hard for a qb to be the leader of the team when at this stage in his long career he is a faltering qb. If the Giants would pick up a qb such as Bridgewater because of the complicated situation in Minnesota then I can see your scenario play out. If Shurmer and the front office believe that Rosen or their preferred qb in this draft is going to be their long term franchise qb then I don't see your scenario playing out. 

 

Shurmer's speciality is the offense and working with qbs. For his own career interests it is better to get a high end qb prospect on board in the beginning of one's tenure than later in one's tenure. As a Buffalo fan you should know very wel thenl when you wait you fall into the category of aint!

 

They could fall in love with one... but as of now based on what I am hearing on the rumour mill I don't think they are intending to go QB at #2.  I repeat - I would if I were in their GM chair..... I just get a strong sense that they think they can still win and win now with Eli.  

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They could fall in love with one... but as of now based on what I am hearing on the rumour mill I don't think they are intending to go QB at #2.  I repeat - I would if I were in their GM chair..... I just get a strong sense that they think they can still win and win now with Eli.  

There are a variety of roads to success. So if they take the strategy that you indicated in your prior post then it in the end could work out. The Giants were a lackluster team last year that seemed to lose its heart and will. So trading down and getting multiple picks is a good way of injecting young talent into a tired roster. 

 

Make no mistake that my position is skewed because of the Buffalo neurosis of avoiding the long-term qb issue.. One of my major criticisms of Whaley is that he over-rated his roster. He too often thought it was closer to being a serious team than it actually was. I understand that he wanted to break the ignominious playoff drought but in the end not addressing the qb issue have cost him his job and plagued his franchise. 

 

Shumer knows what a franchise qb looks like. It's still my belief that if Rosen is available he will be captivated. It can't be lost that the ownership is emphasizing getting a high end qb prospect. After recently being pilloried they need a new interest point to deflect the depressing negativity. That's how I see it. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Green Lightning]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hokay, I give up.  Bridgewater 6-6 in first year as starter (the year of his 3 comeback games).  Taylor 7-6 his first year as starter.

Obviously, that means Bridgewater would win us more games

 

We do agree on Alex Smith, though.  If we're going for a bridge guy, he's my man over TT. 

 

 

Let's hope for Smith! Agree. I just want to move on from TT. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[xRUSHx]

On 1/18/2018 at 2:12 PM, Misterbluesky said:

This move would be a no brained if he does get released.However because of the risk factor I would bet Taylor would get another year.

IMO Keeping Tyrod at any level is just crazy talk. He is not worth that contract, at all. 4 years of sitting and 3 years of not good enough does not warrant that contract , let some other team buy that just like Fitz IMO.

 

A top drafted QB should be ready to take over by the mid point of the season the latest so IMO either grab Bridgewater  or some other cheap placeholder and be ready for the rookie year 1. I would even be fine with Peterman starting the season for a few games. That Tyrod or some other overpriced bridge vet money can be used on other positions IMO.

I would rather them take a step back and address the problem over putting another overpriced journeyman bandaid on it like so many fired staffs have done.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is exactly what I suspect they are planning to do. I think Gettleman and Shurmer are going to take a similar approach to what McDermott did this year in Buffalo.  Park the QB decision for a year, rebuild the culture in the locker room which is totally broken - lean on Eli as a leader.  I think they will build the lines and dump some big underperforming defensive contracts and then do what it takes to go big at Quarterback in 2019.  

 

I would expect it depends upon their analysis of this year's crop of QB.  The thing is, you don't get a chance to draft at the top without trading up, unless you suck.  So make good use of your suckage years so they don't continue, Gettleman.

 

I think the demise of Eli Manning has been greatly exaggerated.    The Giants games I saw, I saw pass after pass that looked catchable, and the guys he's throwing at couldn't haul it in.  He had no OL - second highest sacks in his career - and who? at WR.  Giants #2 in the league for "official" drops. 

 

Eli's demise was previously predicted back in 2013 when he had the highest total of sacks in his career.  His completions plummeted lower than this year, his passing yardage dropped, YPA were down...Eli was through.  Next year, OL improves, OBJ comes along, presto!  near-career high completions, yardage, YPA, TD....

 

OL and WR matter, peeps.  But that could be a reason to draft a rookie AND stay with Eli and let the rookie sit and learn while you try to get both together.

7 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Let's hope for Smith! Agree. I just want to move on from TT. 

 

We are in violent agreement here LOL!  My first choice is Cousins but it's time for an upgrade on Taylor.  Bring in a solid vet, draft a QB they like in the first 3 rounds and I'm good.

You know what I was thinking about last night, though - don't shoot me, it's not what I want!  When Jim Harbaugh was hired by the 49ers, everyone expected him to cut ways with Alex Smith.  It's like "f*ck it, you've had 6 years, you've never shown better than "meh", Move On.  All the talk pre-draft was which QB would SF draft, would they try to trade up to #2 and grab Gabbert, or would they hope for Ponder or Locker drafting at #7.

 

Instead Harbaugh comes in, hands Smith the playbook, and drafts Aldon Smith.

[MrEpsYtown]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They could fall in love with one... but as of now based on what I am hearing on the rumour mill I don't think they are intending to go QB at #2.  I repeat - I would if I were in their GM chair..... I just get a strong sense that they think they can still win and win now with Eli.  

 

I think this makes a lot of sense. Honestly, if they fix their offensive line and ODB is healthy they could be Super Bowl contenders. Also with the hiring of James Bettcher, they will likely be going to a 3-4 defensive alignment which will require more draft picks to fill out. I'm not even sure how JPP will fit, but there will be some significant holes to fill with the switch.

 

I think a trade down makes a ton of sense for them. Would they be willing to drop all the way to 21+22 and take Cordy Glenn? it sure seems enticing if I am them. Or perhaps they take the approach that they don't expect to be up there again so they need to take a QB while they can. 

[26CornerBlitz]