Teddy KGB Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, grb said: Desperation is using a practice squad castoff like Thompson to "prove" the Bills have a NFL-grade set of receivers. Deonte has played well given his chance and more power to him, but that's just getting inside the door compared to other team's situations. If you look at the season-end NFL stats, Taylor is 16th by passer rating (not QBR). Just above him is Matt Ryan, who has much, much better targets to throw to. Just below Taylor is Dak Prescott, who has an o-line TT can only dream of plus better targets to throw to. Next comes Andy Dalton - who has AJ Green - and Derek Carr w/ Cooper, Crabtree, Cordarrelle, and Cook (to indulge in a bit of alliteration). Of course point out something that screaming-obvious and you'll inevitably hear "Taylor couldn't take advantage, etc, etc, etc" The problem with that response? Over 2015 & 2016, Taylor had a real pair of NFL receivers only the 15 games total with both Watkins & Woods playing. When that occurred he did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating 29th ranked offense led by Tyrod Taylor. Edited January 2, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runninrams Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 so is Blake Bortles..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Tyrod has been inconsistent at best. Is it play calling or bad play that causes us to be terrible on offense in the second half. Miami gift wrapped that game to us and we still nearly found a way to lose it. We were moving the ball Tyrod making plays out of the pocket and the run game was clicking. All of the sudden we could barely get a first down. I know shady got hurt but still. What is going on? Tyrod has been up and down all year with consistent play out of him I would feel way more confident in giving him the keys to the future will the Tyrod lovers at least admit he's been inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Lest we forget, Tim Tebow was a Playoff Quarterback who actually led the Broncos to a victory over Pittsburgh. I don't hate Tyrod, and I wish him the best, but unless he runs the tables this year, I don't see him as the #1 guy in Buffalo for the foreseeable future. He'd be great as a backup and holding down the fort until a new drafted QB learns the ropes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twoandfourteen Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 57 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: It took the bills doing what they needed to over the course of a full 16 games and the ravens didn’t. You state a page ago you aren’t saying that play is the reason they got in but yet you’ve brought it up over and over and over. You are honestly a shameful creature. You literally look for any back door you can to undercut what happened. The last 2 days have shown me a lot of certain people on this board. Thank god the fellow fans that surround me here at home are nothing like the jokes on this board. And btw. Using 2 sub100 ya games is a stupidly small sample size to form an argument on a player. I don’t understand how people don’t realize how pathetic they look when they do that. Those games are the exception. Not the rule. Why do people think it makes any sense to base whole arguments for a player off of them. Because it was the thing that officially put the Bills into the playoffs. It is a critical piece of the Bills playoff story. Tyrod and the Bills did everything they needed to do to put themselves in a favorable position to benefit greatly from that clutch Andy Dalton TD pass. That's why I say it PUT them in the playoffs, but it is not the REASON they are in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: I mean, you're reaching here... but it's still the most rational thing I've read from #teamtyrod. All I can say is that I would hope that after 7 seasons of professional football, including 2 as a full-time starter that a player like Taylor could adapt to any system a least to a level where he could produce 100 passing yards. I'm not criticizing the guy for not going for 450+ every game. Hell, I've given up entirely on Tyrod's quest for 300. But the multiple sub-100 yard performances, coupled with the multiple games with only 3 points scored was a new level of bad for the Bills offense. I don't care what system Rico throws Tyrod in. He should be able to complete 10 passes for an average of 10 yards each. Yes, Tyrod has had sub 100 yard passing games in two instances: NO (who was in his face all game long) and NE game 1 (where Tyrod got his knee tweaked in the first quarter), so a little bit of context is in order. Look at Tyrod's stats the last three weeks: week 15 MIA 17/29 224 1 TD 0 INT week 16 at NE 21/38 281 0 TD 0 INT week 17 at MIA 19/27 204 1 TD 0 INT So not quite as bad as you make him out to be, but he also won't be confused with Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, etc. In my opinion, either you keep Tyrod and get rid of Dennison, or vice versa. Personally, I think we need to move on from both. Get a vet like Alex Smith and draft a QB this year. That to me would be the best scenario; we'll see what happens. I just hope they'll let Tyrod be Tyrod more and win a couple of playoff games. Dennison has yet to do that this year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: Tyrod has been inconsistent at best. Is it play calling or bad play that causes us to be terrible on offense in the second half. Miami gift wrapped that game to us and we still nearly found a way to lose it. We were moving the ball Tyrod making plays out of the pocket and the run game was clicking. All of the sudden we could barely get a first down. I know shady got hurt but still. What is going on? Tyrod has been up and down all year with consistent play out of him I would feel way more confident in giving him the keys to the future will the Tyrod lovers at least admit he's been inconsistent. Well, we look at the Miami game and there are these numbers : Taylor, First Half : 13-20 Taylor, Second Half : 6-7 Anything jump out at you there? And this game was hardly unique. Whenever Buffalo has enjoyed any kind of lead in the Second Half, the play calling gets extremely conservative. It's frustrating to watch but - to give McDermott his due - it's pretty much worked every time - tho often by a hair's breadth. As for TT in general, his splits are slightly better Second Half to First in completion percentage, yards per attempt, and passer rating - the one exception being TD passes where the First Half has a sizable edge.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: Ha. "a QB should not be forced to be a pocket passer" The lack of football knowledge is embarrassing Keep your day job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: It took the bills doing what they needed to over the course of a full 16 games and the ravens didn’t. You state a page ago you aren’t saying that play is the reason they got in but yet you’ve brought it up over and over and over. You are honestly a shameful creature. You literally look for any back door you can to undercut what happened. The last 2 days have shown me a lot of certain people on this board. Thank god the fellow fans that surround me here at home are nothing like the jokes on this board. And btw. Using 2 sub100 ya games is a stupidly small sample size to form an argument on a player. I don’t understand how people don’t realize how pathetic they look when they do that. Those games are the exception. Not the rule. Why do people think it makes any sense to base whole arguments for a player off of them. That is certainly true... for QBs that have demonstrated the ability to run passing offenses that are not consistently ranked in the bottom 5 of the entire league. Taylor has had more sub-100 yard passing days than he has had 300+ yard passing days. But, that's fair if you think sub-100 is an outlier. How about 130 yards passing? Is 130 yards over the course of an entire football game a fair standard of production for a starting QB that has been in the league for 7 years? Because over the past 3 seasons, Tyrod Taylor has had 7 games of under 130 yards passing. Out of all the veteran starting QBs in the NFL, the closest to that? Blake Bortles & Jared Goff with 4. But Taylor doesn't throw INTs so who cares about actually moving the football down the field, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: That is certainly true... for QBs that have demonstrated the ability to run passing offenses that are not consistently ranked in the bottom 5 of the entire league. Taylor has had more sub-100 yard passing days than he has had 300+ yard passing days. But, that's fair if you think sub-100 is an outlier. How about 130 yards passing? Is 130 yards over the course of an entire football game a fair standard of production for a starting QB that has been in the league for 7 years? Because over the past 3 seasons, Tyrod Taylor has had 7 games of under 130 yards passing. Out of all the veteran starting QBs in the NFL, the closest to that? Blake Bortles & Jared Goff with 4. But Taylor doesn't throw INTs so who cares about actually moving the football down the field, right? It’s NOT acceptable. Which is why we need to keep searching for a qb. But the none sense spewed onto this board about a qb that ultimately wins more than he loses while never even having a top ten defense is absurd..... Believe it or not people can still take up for Taylor AND still want an upgrade. I know I know. That’s a hard concept to grasp. And btw. His ability to protect the football is extremely underrated. We saw how valuable it was during the first 7 weeks of the season when the rest of the team was really clicking. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: Taylor has had more sub-100 yard passing days than he has had 300+ yard passing days. But, that's fair if you think sub-100 is an outlier. How about 130 yards passing? Is 130 yards over the course of an entire football game a fair standard of production for a starting QB that has been in the league for 7 years? Why not just use his average YPG in Buffalo? 201.3. This factors in his highs, his lows, and everything in between. That means, generally speaking, that for every 130 yard game he's also had a 270 yard game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You will not change peoples minds. What about the RED ZONE production!?!?!?!?! How many fewer trips have the Bills made into the Red Zone? With House $ 's records - a lot less. It's a good question : What about Red Zone production? Last year the Bills were exceptional, ranking 7th in the NFL. This year they're below average, ranking 21st. And this isn't one of those statistics where a small difference moves you way up and down the list - there's about a dozen percent points on TD scoring between years. Now, I recognize I won't change people's mind, but it seems pretty bizarre to ascribe the change to Taylor. He could score in the Red Zone and suddenly he couldn't? Or maybe this : All last year defensive coordinators couldn't figure out how to prevent TT from scoring a TD inside the twenty then - shazam !! - the light went on and the "figured him out"? Neither one of those theories seems very credible. The change at OC seems a bit more likely the cause...... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2017-02-06 https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2018-01-06 Edited January 2, 2018 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 15 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The team is in the playoffs. There is no I in team. "There are three "i's" in Michael Irvin." - Marshall Faulk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Confirmation of one the issues we've seen with Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Confirmation of one the issues we've seen with Tyrod. I don't think I would necessarily want my QB at the top of this list. After Wentz the quality drops through the floor up until about the middle. I've been talking about it allot in Florida where I live near Tampa how Jameis doesn't know how to check the ball down or throw to the open guy that's not 30 yards down the field causing allot of interceptions and turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, buffalobloodfloridahome said: I don't think I would necessarily want my QB at the top of this list. After Wentz the quality drops through the floor up until about the middle. I've been talking about it allot in Florida where I live near Tampa how Jameis doesn't know how to check the ball down or throw to the open guy that's not 30 yards down the field causing allot of interceptions and turnovers. It partially depends on the kind and quality of receivers each team has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Confirmation of one the issues we've seen with Tyrod. And look who he is surrounded by. Garrapolo, Goff, Rodgers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It partially depends on the kind and quality of receivers each team has. Jameis has Mike Evans and Desean Jackson and I agree with taking shots downfield especially with Evans because he's a beast, but doing it too often with 50/50 balls they are still called 50/50 balls for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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