26CornerBlitz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The Defense allowed 0 TDs on drives that needed to go 60+ yards that day... The bottom line is that Peterman gifted the Chargers a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On the old bbmb there was a small group of very loud and outspoken posters making a huge noise promoting him, i often wondered if his management team was running a campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 While I acknowledge he is not the Kelly-esque "long-term solution," I also recognize that he's better than a lot of QB's in this league, and definitely the best one on our roster. I'd go as far as saying he's one of the best QB's we've had during the 17-year drought. Now, again, is he going to take us to a SB? No. Is he enough to win games while we find the right one? Yes. I'm just not a fan of the whole "Cut Tyrod and draft one!" mentality. What if the one we draft sucks? If it was as simple as just drafting a QB, everyone would have a good one, which we know just isn't the case in this league. I think we learned this with the Peterman experiment. This is a parity-driven league. Aside from maybe 6-8 teams, NOBODY has a great quarterback. and 6-8 may be pushing it. I mean you have Brady, Rodgers, Wentz, then who? Do you still put Roethlisberger in that category? Dak Prescott? I guess you could throw Rivers in there. It's just what it is anymore - only a handful of great quarterbacks. I think it's a case of trying to do the best you can with what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Tyrod had 24 pass attempts in the first half, alone, on Sunday...the fact that he ended the game with around 180 yards is on Tyrod- not the OC imo...maybe not being able to hit WR’s in stride has something to do with it...but what do I know, I’m just a fan. That's about 7.6 yards per attempt which is the average of some top QBs. In the second half they had like 15 runs and only 5 pass attempts. Seems pretty conservative to me regardless of who the QB is. If he can throw 24 passes in the first half he can do it in the second half too... but I am also just a fan. Edited November 28, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: That's about 7.6 yards per attempt which is the average of some top QBs. In the second half they had like 15 runs and only 5 pass attempts. Seems pretty conservative to me regardless of who the QB is. If he can throw 24 passes in the first half he can do it in the second half too... but I am also just a fan. Sorry man...but I just want more than what Tyrod brings to the table...tired of settling...I want consistency- not just the occasional big play Edited November 28, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: With the way the defense performed that day and as hot as the Chargers were/are, no they wouldn't have won that day. Knowing that is just common sense. 5 turnovers has an effect on defense. Field position, morale, stamina. No game is a given, knowing that is just common sense. I truly do not understand how people can claim this, they're a decent team that can be played close if you protect the football, since when did the Chargers become the best team ever? 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The bottom line is that Peterman gifted the Chargers a win. The sentiment on this board is that the Chargers were always going to win that game, so we might as well throw 5 picks while we lose. #logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Quote 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The bottom line is that Peterman gifted the Chargers a win. So Typical of the Clueless Taylor fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: So Typical of the Clueless Taylor fans What you're saying 5 ints had no affect on the outcome...... Talk about clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: What you're saying 5 ints had no affect on the outcome...... Talk about clueless. They certainly did and even the biggest NP supporters like myself have faulted him. But in hindsight it's not going to look that bad when the Chargers win out, win the AFCW and likely make noise in the playoffs. They are one of the most complete teams in the NFL and playing their best football when it matters heading down the stretch run. And I know some people want to believe we would have won with Taylor starting but I simply don't believe that to be the case especially after what the chargers did 5 days later on Thanksgiving to a much better QB in Dallas. Edited November 28, 2017 by SaviorPeterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: What you're saying 5 ints had no affect on the outcome...... Talk about clueless. Take your Taylor beanie cap off and think about it The chances for a Win in LA to the Chargers was slim to none even with the "great" Tyrod Taylor, Do not pretend you and your friendly group thought otherwise. We beat KC because they became more inept than we were. Sure, lets say that "Peterman gifted" the win. Lets realize that Taylor would have bored them to death and we still would have walked away with a Bills loss. No one knows what would have happened IF Typical Taylor had actually played well enough to keep Nate on the bench!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Take your Taylor beanie cap off and think about it The chances for a Win in LA to the Chargers was slim to none even with the "great" Tyrod Taylor, Do not pretend you and your friendly group thought otherwise. We beat KC because they became more inept than we were. Not a Taylor fanboy and don't see one person here that is. What many here think is we don't know his upside thanks to this inept coaching stff. Anyone who thought and believed that Peterman gave the Bills the best chance to win vs. LAC was delusional or lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) You can blame McDermott, you can blame Nate too if you wish. One unnamed player also helped in the process of that benching. It begins with Quarter and ends with Back. 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Not a Taylor fanboy and don't see one person here that is. What many here think is we don't know his upside thanks to this inept coaching stff. Anyone who thought and believed that Peterman gave the Bills the best chance to win vs. LAC was delusional or lying. you are blind. No one here that I know of thought and believed that Peterman gave the Bills the best chance to win in LA. Only Taylor homers think and believe that turd of a story We needed a spark and we got one. Maybe TT learned a valuable lesson Edited November 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Not a Taylor fanboy and don't see one person here that is. What many here think is we don't know his upside thanks to this inept coaching stff. Anyone who thought and believed that Peterman gave the Bills the best chance to win vs. LAC was delusional or lying. I still think NP is the better player simply because of upside and prototypical NFL QB ability. And pretty sure that's why McD made the move against the chargers even though it backfired in spectacular Bills fashion. Also same reason he isn't committing to Taylor the rest of the season and beyond next week because pretty sure we'll see NP again after the Pats destroy us and Taylor continues to throw 3 yard passes and run out of bounds on 3rd down when we are down 14+ points to the Patriots. TT has hit whatever ceiling he has in this league and anybody that honestly believes he's going to magically get better on a new team next year is kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The Defense allowed 0 TDs on drives that needed to go 60+ yards that day... I'm sure that made all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: I'm sure that made all the difference. Perhaps if they had more than 60 yards to go on more drives there would have been a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Sorry man...but I just want more than what Tyrod brings to the table...tired of settling...I want consistency- not just the occasional big play We all do bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 7 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: I still think NP is the better player simply because of upside and prototypical NFL QB ability. And pretty sure that's why McD made the move against the chargers even though it backfired in spectacular Bills fashion. Also same reason he isn't committing to Taylor the rest of the season and beyond next week because pretty sure we'll see NP again after the Pats destroy us and Taylor continues to throw 3 yard passes and run out of bounds on 3rd down when we are down 14+ points to the Patriots. TT has hit whatever ceiling he has in this league and anybody that honestly believes he's going to magically get better on a new team next year is kidding themselves. Upside?! He certainly has the lowest floor ever historically speaking. NP will never be better than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: 5 turnovers has an effect on defense. Field position, morale, stamina. No game is a given, knowing that is just common sense. I truly do not understand how people can claim this, they're a decent team that can be played close if you protect the football, since when did the Chargers become the best team ever? The sentiment on this board is that the Chargers were always going to win that game, so we might as well throw 5 picks while we lose. #logic Most of us watching the game saw the Chargers demolishing the Bills at the line of scrimmage. Sure had TT started the game it would very likely have been much closer but would his presence been enough to overcome the rest of the team getting its butt kicked? Doubtful. I really don't understand at all the criticism of McD on the decision to start NP. Frankly I think he's looking pretty darned wise right now. TT certainly earned his spot on the bench and in doing so the Bills have: A. The same record they likely would otherwise have B. Got TT's attention for sure which might now make him a better player going forward C. Got a brief look at NP which certainly will lead to him learning and working harder at his craft Unlike TT who has played enough in his career now to be judged, NP is at the very beginning of his career and none of us can predict how good a QB he may or may not become. Hindsight at the end of the season will provide a broader view than it does now. Edited November 29, 2017 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Most of us watching the game saw the Chargers demolishing the Bills at the line of scrimmage. Sure had TT started the game it would very likely have been much closer but would his presence been enough to overcome the rest of the team getting its butt kicked? Doubtful. I really don't understand at all the criticism of McD on the decision to start NP. Frankly I think he's looking pretty darned wise right now. TT certainly earned his spot on the bench and in doing so the Bills have: A. The same record they likely would otherwise have B. Got TT's attention for sure which might now make him a better player going forward C. Got a brief look at NP which certainly will lead to him learning and working harder at his craft Unlike TT who has played enough in his career now to be judged, NP is at the very beginning of his career and none of us can predict how good a QB he may or may not become. Hindsight at the end of the season will provide a broader view than it does now. ludicrous assumption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Just as ludicrous as the declaration that NP will never be as good as TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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