x-BillzeBubba Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 If we win it will be a great Hauchka day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 11 minutes ago, Dan said: This is my question to the Peterman faithful.... How can you say that? He played 2 series in a blow put game. I just don't understand how/why everyone is so confident that Peterman is the next great QB. I think it's more optimism about Peterman actually being able to throw to our WRs and sustain drives, than it is thinking he's the next great QB. I mean, he's going to have to be absolutely awful to do less than TT. And, even if he is awful, oh well, as we definitely weren't going anywhere other than 6-10 or 7-9 with Tyrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said: Five words. Seven Sacks By The Jets. NP will get the ball out in rhythm, helps OL, Run game and by staying on field the defense. That's funny.... All the rookie 5th rond icks who started have lit it up and can read D's and complete passes. Wow talk about blind Faith..... 1 minute ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: I think it's more optimism about Peterman actually being able to throw to our WRs and sustain drives, than it is thinking he's the next great QB. I mean, he's going to have to be absolutely awful to do less than TT. And, even if he is awful, oh well, as we definitely weren't going anywhere other than 6-10 or 7-9 with Tyrod. The Bills even with decimating the offense and lousy play calling are 5-4..... The question is why no wait a week? Because if Tyrod played well they couldn't make a change.... And play out the masterful draft strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I bet Dallas would have made the playoffs last year if they hadn't started a 4th round rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: That's funny.... All the rookie 5th rond icks who started have lit it up and can read D's and complete passes. Wow talk about blind Faith..... The Bills even with decimating the offense and lousy play calling are 5-4..... The question is why not wait a week? Because if Tyrod played well they couldn't make a change.... And play out the masterful draft strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: I think it's more optimism about Peterman actually being able to throw to our WRs and sustain drives, than it is thinking he's the next great QB. I mean, he's going to have to be absolutely awful to do less than TT. And, even if he is awful, oh well, as we definitely weren't going anywhere other than 6-10 or 7-9 with Tyrod. I guess I get that. And, as a Bills fan, I truly hope he can and does excel. I just don't get the euphoria around it. Maybe, I'm just too jaded, but I've seen far more rookie QBs fail than succeed. And given that we have almost no actual game footage to go on, I really don't understand the certainty that so many posters seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dan said: This is my question to the Peterman faithful.... How can you say that? He played 2 series in a blow put game. I just don't understand how/why everyone is so confident that Peterman is the next great QB. The bar is Low!!!! I admit it. This is a function of how poorly we have brought in QB prospects as a team. There have been numerous threads about this the past few years. Off the top of my head, NP has looked better than : C. Jones EJ JP The last guy who looked competent was Trent. As a beginner he showed something. Then he took that hit/ concussion and he was finished. Todd Collins? Not!!! Im not saying he’s great or that I know he will do anything. I’m simply asking what young guy has looked better than him? Im hoping for 1 TD, 225 ish leading to an opened up run game and 3 FGs added in there and it’s been a successful debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Sure make peyton Manning and Tom Brady read option rollout running QBs. Great idea. ?????? was that a dis? if it was they would certainly be more accurate throwing the ball-and not just to the running backs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The question is why no wait a week? Because if Tyrod played well they couldn't make a change.... And play out the masterful draft strategy? You mean wait a week so we can see 75 more ball pats and WRs waving their arms while standing in the middle of the field wide open? Wait a week so Tyrod can throw for 120 yards and we can be 5-5? Can you honestly say you don't get 100% frustrated watching him play QB? Are the two to three good plays he makes each game enough to leave you wanting more? 5 minutes ago, Dan said: I guess I get that. And, as a Bills fan, I truly hope he can and does excel. I just don't get the euphoria around it. Maybe, I'm just too jaded, but I've seen far more rookie QBs fail than succeed. And given that we have almost no actual game footage to go on, I really don't understand the certainty that so many posters seem to have. I get that too. Nobody can be certain, but there's a sense of hope and excitement because there's a CHANCE he may do well, which is potential for a huge change of pace over the TT mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: The bar is Low!!!! I admit it. This is a function of how poorly we have brought in QB prospects as a team. There have been numerous threads about this the past few years. Off the top of my head, NP has looked better than : C. Jones EJ JP The last guy who looked competent was Trent. As a beginner he showed something. Then he took that hit/ concussion and he was finished. Todd Collins? Not!!! Im not saying he’s great or that I know he will do anything. I’m simply asking what young guy has looked better than him? Im hoping for 1 TD, 225 ish leading to an opened up run game and 3 FGs added in there and it’s been a successful debut. 7 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: You mean wait a week so we can see 75 more ball pats and WRs waving their arms while standing in the middle of the field wide open? Wait a week so Tyrod can throw for 120 yards and we can be 5-5? Can you honestly say you don't get 100% frustrated watching him play QB? Are the two to three good plays he makes each game enough to leave you wanting more? I get that too. Nobody can be certain, but there's a sense of hope and excitement because there's a CHANCE he may do well, which is potential for a huge change of pace over the TT mediocrity. I genuinely hope everyone is right. I'll certainly be watching intently. My only ask... Let's not all fall apart when the kid struggles. If he does have it, it's going to take me than a game or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Its very simple....... Calculated risk.... The calculation is that TT total production passing and running average is less than 215 yards per game. That is not a recipe to win. Calculated risk, does Peterman produce more than 215 yards? The coach thinks so. And, possibly believes that the other teams wont crowd the line of scrimmage as much so the running game has a chance. I say why not, I like Peterman a lot but understand we have not seen him in a real game yet. But, whats the difference limping into the playoffs to get beat up the first game is no great thing either. Peterman does not need to be Dan Marino just throw the ball well enough to get the other team to play honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, tonawandarock said: ?????? was that a dis? if it was they would certainly be more accurate throwing the ball-and not just to the running backs! No someone said the QB should adapt to the offense..... I was pointing out if a OC tried to make Brady or Manning running QB's it would fail..... It was a silly comment and post. 19 minutes ago, artmalibu said: Its very simple....... Calculated risk.... The calculation is that TT total production passing and running average is less than 215 yards per game. That is not a recipe to win. Calculated risk, does Peterman produce more than 215 yards? The coach thinks so. And, possibly believes that the other teams wont crowd the line of scrimmage as much so the running game has a chance. I say why not, I like Peterman a lot but understand we have not seen him in a real game yet. But, whats the difference limping into the playoffs to get beat up the first game is no great thing either. Peterman does not need to be Dan Marino just throw the ball well enough to get the other team to play honest. Loser mentality from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 17 years. The 215 had many posters saying yards didn't matter, nor passing, just W's...... 38 minutes ago, Dan said: I guess I get that. And, as a Bills fan, I truly hope he can and does excel. I just don't get the euphoria around it. Maybe, I'm just too jaded, but I've seen far more rookie QBs fail than succeed. And given that we have almost no actual game footage to go on, I really don't understand the certainty that so many posters seem to have. How many rookie 5th round QB's succeeded in their first start? BTW Tom Brady was 1 for 3 in his rookie year, before someone says something..... Edited November 18, 2017 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Can find the answer in one of the 10 other Peterman threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No someone said the QB should adapt to the offense..... I was pointing out if a OC tried to make Brady or Manning running QB's it would fail..... It was a silly comment and post. Loser mentality from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 17 years. The 215 had many posters saying yards didn't matter, nor passing, just W's...... How many rookie 5th round QB's succeeded in their first start? The coach said it is a calculated risk. He thinks Peterman might run the offense better. We'll see what happens. You don't like it apply for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No someone said the QB should adapt to the offense..... I was pointing out if a OC tried to make Brady or Manning running QB's it would fail..... It was a silly comment and post. Loser mentality from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 17 years. The 215 had many posters saying yards didn't matter, nor passing, just W's...... How many rookie 5th round QB's succeeded in their first start? Not a loser mentality. One form someone who has actually watched the the games this year. Think about it, a QB that produces a total of 215 yards a game in a way that cripples the run. Misses open receivers, doesn't hit open receiver in stride, doesn't throw to open receivers. I guess I fail to see the up side. There is no rule saying that if Peterman craps the bed he wont be benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, #34fan said: Why the f*** not? A move indicates an organization that's willing to try new things... I'm happy to see the "best chance to win" mentality DIE with guys like Chan Gailey, and Rex Ryan. This, this a thousand times this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Billzebubba said: If we win it will be a great Hauchka day He has to play lights out for the rest of season for there to be ANY chance. If I had my druthers he’d give us 5 FGs tomorrow. 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: That's funny.... All the rookie 5th rond icks who started have lit it up and can read D's and complete passes. Wow talk about blind Faith..... The Bills even with decimating the offense and lousy play calling are 5-4..... The question is why no wait a week? Because if Tyrod played well they couldn't make a change.... And play out the masterful draft strategy? Maybe the play calling has been dictated by TTs inability and not the other way about? 1 hour ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: You mean wait a week so we can see 75 more ball pats and WRs waving their arms while standing in the middle of the field wide open? Wait a week so Tyrod can throw for 120 yards and we can be 5-5? Can you honestly say you don't get 100% frustrated watching him play QB? Are the two to three good plays he makes each game enough to leave you wanting more? I get that too. Nobody can be certain, but there's a sense of hope and excitement because there's a CHANCE he may do well, which is potential for a huge change of pace over the TT mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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