transplantbillsfan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Again, same argument from Transie, and again, it's dumb. Yeah, Brady's thrown both deep and to the deep middle a lot less frequently than he's thrown short. Same with everyone else. Folks, pretending that deep throws only affect the defense on plays when the offense actually throws deep is missing the point. They have to defend the deep middle against Brady. Knowing Brady's thrown it there there 15 times out of his 43 deep throws you know you absolutely have to defend it. That affects your safeties on every play and your CBs on every pass play. Whereas with Tyrod throwing there one time out of 29 deep throws and 236 total throws you know you can move your safeties towards the horseshoe area where he actually does throw, short and towards the sides as you get towards the intermediate and deep areas. When 28 of 29 deep throws are to the outside thirds, the defense says, "Thank you for the tendency, Tyrod." Yeah, great point Thurm! Thanks for that tendency! We're just gonna note that tendency while we take a nap in the deep middle as you pick us apart on that intermediate middle area we're so so obviously prepared to defend oh wait, Tyrod is throwing to the intermediate middle about as much as Russell Wilson who's, like, a really good QB. And not only that, but his passer rating to that intermediate middle is more than 20 points above the league average. Throwing to the intermediate middle AND successful doing it?!?!?! Well, surely with this tendency we've got those sidelines locked down. Oh crap, that doesn't work either. Taylor's passer rating to the left sideline is nearly 60 points higher than the league average on deep throws and 70 points higher on intermediate throws. If we knew he was so great to the left sideline, by your logic Thurm, we're gleefully lurking over there to defend it. Except that's not reality. Little of what you say is, but let's evidently keep this discussion you're clearly wrong on up for another year and a half just because you're incapable of admitting you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: It also matters that deep middle of the field plays are usually massive plays. We're talking about huge 3rd down pickups: does anyone feel safe when Brady/Rodgers/Wilson/Roethlisberger have 3rd & 16? When taylor has 3rd and 7 I'm already hitting the bathroom to beat the crowds before the punt. Those deep middle plays are also game winning drives, of which Taylor has 2 in his entire career. The aforementioned QBs seem to make these plays weekly, even if the frequency is less. When the chips are down, they have nerves of steel. Taylor just doesn't have what it takes to be anything more than an electric runner that drops down to a game manager mean. Sooooo... you missed a lot of first downs I guess? Taylor has the 8th highest 3rd down conversion % on passing plays in the NFL. Oh, and he has the 10th highest 3rd down % on 3rd and long (8+ yards) despite having faced the 2nd most 3rd and longs in the NFL. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year= And Taylor is tied for 13th in the NFL in 25+ yard passing plays despite having less attempts than almost all guys ahead of him. Do you just enjoy making crap up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Sooooo... you missed a lot of first downs I guess? Taylor has the 8th highest 3rd down conversion % on passing plays in the NFL. Oh, and he has the 10th highest 3rd down % on 3rd and long (8+ yards) despite having faced the 2nd most 3rd and longs in the NFL. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year= And Taylor is tied for 13th in the NFL in 25+ yard passing plays despite having less attempts than almost all guys ahead of him. Do you just enjoy making crap up? It's like you're deliberately obtuse. Do you actually watch the games or just look up midseason stats? This defense has carried Taylor all season long(besides NYJ), and he continues to lose football games by being unable to turn crucial drives into touchdowns. Taylor boosting his stats in meaningless sections of games doesn't impress me or put digits in the win column. His trash play during clutch time is what matters most, and he's currently this teams weakest link. With this year's version of Josh McCown this team is undefeated. Here are some real stats that aren't just vanity metrics: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb Edited November 11, 2017 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: It's like you're deliberately obtuse. Do you actually watch the games or just look up midseason stats? This defense has carried Taylor all season long(besides NYJ), and he continues to lose football games by being unable to turn crucial drives into touchdowns. Taylor boosting his stats in meaningless sections of games doesn't impress me or put digits in the win column. His trash play during clutch time is what matters most, and he's currently this teams weakest link. With this year's version of Josh McCown this team is undefeated. He is being deliberately obtuse. His goal isn't correctly understanding the situation. It's saying absolutely anything to make Tyrod look good. If that requires responding to a post about scoring, clutch time and chunk plays by talking about third downs instead and pretending like he addressed the post, he's fine with that. He's interested only in spin. Not in understanding. But people can see that. It's spectacularly easy to notice. He isn't convincing anyone who came in neutral. Not even slightly close. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Get a cell. The kumquat warbles at dawn. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yeah, great point Thurm! Thanks for that tendency! We're just gonna note that tendency while we take a nap in the deep middle as you pick us apart on that intermediate middle area we're so so obviously prepared to defend oh wait, Tyrod is throwing to the intermediate middle about as much as Russell Wilson who's, like, a really good QB. And not only that, but his passer rating to that intermediate middle is more than 20 points above the league average. Throwing to the intermediate middle AND successful doing it?!?!?! Well, surely with this tendency we've got those sidelines locked down. Oh crap, that doesn't work either. Taylor's passer rating to the left sideline is nearly 60 points higher than the league average on deep throws and 70 points higher on intermediate throws. If we knew he was so great to the left sideline, by your logic Thurm, we're gleefully lurking over there to defend it. Except that's not reality. Little of what you say is, but let's evidently keep this discussion you're clearly wrong on up for another year and a half just because you're incapable of admitting you're wrong. Typical Trannie argument. Blow hard about the deep middle, throw out a bunch of stats that prove the opposite, get proven spectacularly wrong, and then he changes the ground of his argument without ever admitting how thoroughly skunked he was. And again ignore the actual problem. Which again is not just the intermediate third. It is the deep and intermediate middle third. Always has been. Funny, in his post about the deep middle, he threw out the specific numbers of seven or eight QBs. After it was pointed out that the numbers said the opposite of what he thought, he switches to intermediate, but also changes from seven or eight QBs to just one. Hmmm. Wonder why that is. And Captain Miniscule Statistic himself doesn't mention any specific numbers this time. "About as much" as Wilson ... and Wilson only. Hmmmmmm. Makes you wonder. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) Just for ***** and giggles I am going to casually as time permits look at the charts week by week and compile some stats on these deep middle third throws. It wont be perfect because they don't always chart every QB. In week 1 there were 29 QBs charted. Here are the results for Week 1: 958 pass attempts 24 deep middle third attempts 2.5% of the throws or about 1 out of every 40 attempts 12 completions 5 TDs 2 INTs 14 of the 29 charted QBs did not throw to the deep middle or 48.3% did not QBs with no throws to the deep middle: Rivers Siemian Manning Prescott Hoyer Carr Marriota Bortles Watson Dalton Flacco Glennon McCown Tyrod QBs with throws to the deep middle: Brees 1/1 Newton 1/1 Wilson 0/1 Rodgers 1/1 TD Goff 1/1 TD Tolzien 1/1 Cousins 0/2 Wentz 0/3 Palmer 1/2 INT Stafford 1/1 TD Big Ben 0/2 INT Kizer 1/2 Ryan 1/1 TD Brady 1/4 Smith 1/1 TD 12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Typical Trannie argument. Blow hard about the deep middle, throw out a bunch of stats that prove the opposite, get proven spectacularly wrong, and then he changes the ground of his argument without ever admitting how thoroughly skunked he was. And again ignore the actual problem. Which again is not just the intermediate third. It is the deep and intermediate middle third. Always has been. Funny, in his post about the deep middle, he threw out the specific numbers of seven or eight QBs. After it was pointed out that the numbers said the opposite of what he thought, he switches to intermediate, but also changes from seven or eight QBs to just one. Hmmm. Wonder why that is. And Captain Miniscule Statistic himself doesn't mention any specific numbers this time. "About as much" as Wilson ... and Wilson only. Hmmmmmm. Makes you wonder. Well as I pointed out before... the intermediate middle third IS NOT A PROBLEM. Don't know why you are lumping them both together because one is not a problem. He has been throwing there all year. The other he has not been throwing to much, but being a problem is debatable because nobody throws there much. Edited November 11, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Just for ***** and giggles I am going to casually as time permits look at the charts week by week and compile some stats on these deep middle third throws. It wont be perfect because they don't always chart every QB. In week 1 there were 29 QBs charted. Here are the results for Week 1: 958 pass attempts 24 deep middle third attempts 2.5% of the throws or about 1 out of every 40 attempts 12 completions 5 TDs 2 INTs 14 of the 29 charted QBs did not throw to the deep middle or 48.3% did not QBs with no throws to the deep middle: Rivers Siemian Manning Prescott Hoyer Carr Marriota Bortles Watson Dalton Flacco Glennon McCown Tyrod QBs with throws to the deep middle: Brees 1/1 Newton 1/1 Wilson 0/1 Rodgers 1/1 TD Goff 1/1 TD Tolzien 1/1 Cousins 0/2 Wentz 0/3 Palmer 1/2 INT Stafford 1/1 TD Big Ben 0/2 INT Kizer 1/2 Ryan 1/1 TD Brady 1/4 Smith 1/1 TD Well as I pointed out before... the intermediate middle third IS NOT A PROBLEM. Don't know why you are lumping them both together because one is not a problem. He has been throwing there all year. The other he has not been throwing to much but being a problem is debatable because nobody throws there much. No, you said the deep and intermediate middle of the field was not a problem. But I shouldn't be surprised by your switching the ground yet again. It's your consistent M.O. Lose one argument, don't acknowledge it and move on to the next. And dude, you already gave us data on the whole season for the deep middle for those eight QBs. One week is an insignificant sample. Having said that, it's interesting that your own count here lists 15 QBs who threw one or more times to the deep middle. And Tyrod was 0 for 0. W hich coincidentally was his stat line there for seven out of the eight total weeks. Seven weeks at 0 for 0 and the one remaining week at 0 for 1. Yeah, I think we can all see why you don't think he goes there infrequently or has any problem there in the deep middle. Tell me, anyone else in the league have one or fewer throws to the deep middle over the course of the season? Anyone with any serious number of reps, that is? Or is Tyrod dead last in frequency of throws to that part of the field? And yeah, you pointed out that the intermediate middle isn't a problem, but then you gave no statistics, just a note that one QB had "about the same" numbers. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: No, you said the deep and intermediate middle of the field was not a problem. But I shouldn't be surprised by your switching the ground yet again. It's your consistent M.O. Lose one argument, don't acknowledge it and move on to the next. And dude, you already gave us data on the whole season for the deep middle for those eight QBs. One week is an insignificant sample. Having said that, it's interesting that your own count here lists 15 QBs who threw one or more times to the deep middle. And Tyrod was 0 for 0. W hich coincidentally was his stat line there for seven out of the eight total weeks. Tell me, anyone else in the league have one or fewer throws to the deep middle over the course of the season? Anyone with any serious number of reps, that is? Or is Tyrod dead last in frequency of throws to that part of the field? And yeah, you pointed out that the intermediate middle isn't a problem, but then you gave no statistics, just a note that one QB had "about the same" numbers. Go have some coffee Thurman. Then come back and notice that I am not Transplant. You said deep and intermediate middle of the field is a problem. I said intermediate is not. Yes one week is an insignificant sample but I don't have a lot of time. It takes time to go through nine weeks of passing charts. I plan to do them, but it takes time and I will post the stats as I do them as well as merge them as I do them and post those as well. I am not doing this to argue with you. I am doing this because I like data. Yes Tyrod was 0 for 0 in week one. So were 13 other QBs. Haven't gotten to the other 8 weeks yet. Couldn't tell you. Havent gone through 9 weeks of passing charts yet. Also as noted ... they don't always do every QB. Don't know why, but they don't. Tyrod's Raiders game is missing for instance. Yes I pointed it out that it isn't a problem because it isn't. I can quickly glance at Taylors charts and see he is indeed throwing there. For instance this past week Taylor has 5 throws to the intermediate middle third of the field. 5/5 1 TD. No, I haven't compiled the stats yet. Again I am not Transplant. Also a quick note... While Taylor shows 1 pass (and I haven't actually verified that yet) to the deep middle, he has 3 other passes that I have seen so far that are on the border of the deep middle third chart. That is to say 1 square of the chart away, which by calculations is less than a yards difference as sideline to sideline is 53.3 yards and the charts are 54 squares wide. Another note... there probably aren't any other QBs that have thrown there 1 or less times. There are however QBs like say Carr that has 1 game with 2 throws there , 1 game with 1 throw there, and the rest of his games none. Meaning Tyrod could have just one game with 2 throws there and have just as many as Carr. There are other QBs like this too. Edited November 11, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Just for ***** and giggles I am going to casually as time permits look at the charts week by week and compile some stats on these deep middle third throws. It wont be perfect because they don't always chart every QB. In week 1 there were 29 QBs charted. Here are the results for Week 1: 958 pass attempts 24 deep middle third attempts 2.5% of the throws or about 1 out of every 40 attempts 12 completions 5 TDs 2 INTs 14 of the 29 charted QBs did not throw to the deep middle or 48.3% did not QBs with no throws to the deep middle: Rivers Siemian Manning Prescott Hoyer Carr Marriota Bortles Watson Dalton Flacco Glennon McCown Tyrod QBs with throws to the deep middle: Brees 1/1 Newton 1/1 Wilson 0/1 Rodgers 1/1 TD Goff 1/1 TD Tolzien 1/1 Cousins 0/2 Wentz 0/3 Palmer 1/2 INT Stafford 1/1 TD Big Ben 0/2 INT Kizer 1/2 Ryan 1/1 TD Brady 1/4 Smith 1/1 TD This is an excellent idea. I will follow along and compile your results into rankings as you do each week. Attempts to the Deep Middle Rankings 1st) Brady 4 2nd) Wentz 3 Tie-3rd) Cousins 2 Tie-3rd) Palmer 2 (1 INT) Tie-3rd) Roethlisberger 2 (1 INT) Tie-3rd) Kizer 2 Tie-7th) Brees 1 Tie-7th) Newton 1 Tie-7th) Wilson 1 Tie-7th) Rodgers 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Goff 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Tolzien 1 Tie-7th) Stafford 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Ryan 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Smith 1 (1 TD) Tie-16th and last) Tyrod 0 Tie-16th and last) Rivers 0 Tie-16th and last) Siemian 0 Tie-16th and last) Manning 0 Tie-16th and last) Prescott 0 Tie-16th and last) Hoyer 0 Tie-16th and last) Carr 0 Tie-16th and last) Mariota 0 Tie-16th and last) Bortles 0 Tie-16th and last) Watson 0 Tie-16th and last) Dalton 0 Tie-16th and last) Flacco 0 Tie-16th and last) Glennon 0 Tie-16th and last) McCown 0 (and three missing teams, Miami, Minny and Tampa Bay) Completions to the deep middle rankings Tie-1st) Brees 1 Tie-1st) Newton 1 Tie-1st) Rodgers 1 Tie-1st) Goff 1 Tie-1st) Tolzien 1 Tie-1st) Palmer 1 Tie-1st) Stafford 1 Tie-1st) Kizer 1 Tie-1st) Ryan 1 Tie-1st) Brady 1 Tie-1st) Smith 1 Tie-12th) Tyrod (0, but on 0 attempts) Tie-12th) Rivers Tie-12th) Siemian Tie-12th) Manning Tie-12th) Prescott Tie-12th) Hoyer Tie-12th) Carr Tie-12th) Mariota Tie-12th) Bortles Tie-12th) Watson Tie-12th) Dalton Tie-12th) Flacco Tie-12th) Glennon Tie-12th) McCown Tie-12th) Wilson 0 Tie-27th and last) Cousins 0 Tie-27th and last) Wentz 0 Tie-27th and last) Roethlisberger 0 (and the same missing three teams as above, Miami, Minny and Tampa Bay) NFL TD/INT ratio to the deep middle: 5/2 Tyrod after 1st Week Attempts to the deep middle: Tied for 16th and last with 0 Completions to the deep middle: Tied for 12th with 0 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Go have some coffee Thurman. Then come back and notice that I am not Transplant. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Sorry about that, heartfelt apologies. I hate to make stupid mistakes like that but missing someone's identity is a bonehead move. Sorry, Scott. Last thing I'm going to do is have some coffee, though. I live in Japan and it's midnight and I'm headed for bed. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Dude, this is an excellent idea. Just to help you out, I will follow along and compile your results as you do each week. Attempts to the Deep Middle Rankings 1st) Brady 4 2nd) Wentz 3 Tie-3rd) Cousins 2 Tie-3rd) Palmer 2 (1 INT) Tie-3rd) Roethlisberger 2 (1 INT) Tie-3rd) Kizer 2 Tie-7th) Brees 1 Tie-7th) Newton 1 Tie-7th) Wilson 1 Tie-7th) Rodgers 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Goff 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Tolzien 1 Tie-7th) Stafford 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Ryan 1 (1 TD) Tie-7th) Smith 1 (1 TD) Tie-16th and last) Tyrod 0 Tie-16th and last) Rivers 0 Tie-16th and last) Siemian 0 Tie-16th and last) Manning 0 Tie-16th and last) Prescott 0 Tie-16th and last) Hoyer 0 Tie-16th and last) Carr 0 Tie-16th and last) Mariota 0 Tie-16th and last) Bortles 0 Tie-16th and last) Watson 0 Tie-16th and last) Dalton 0 Tie-16th and last) Flacco 0 Tie-16th and last) Glennon 0 Tie-16th and last) McCown 0 (and three missing teams which mysteriously did not attempt any throws to the deep middle but also did not NOT attempt any throws to the deep middle. Remember, these aren’t my numbers, I’m just compiling and ranking) Completions to the deep middle rankings Tie-1st) Brees 1 Tie-1st) Newton 1 Tie-1st) Rodgers 1 Tie-1st) Goff 1 Tie-1st) Tolzien 1 Tie-1st) Palmer 1 Tie-1st) Stafford 1 Tie-1st) Kizer 1 Tie-1st) Ryan 1 Tie-1st) Brady 1 Tie-1st) Smith 1 Tie-12th) Tyrod (0, but on 0 attempts) Tie-12th) Rivers Tie-12th) Siemian Tie-12th) Manning Tie-12th) Prescott Tie-12th) Hoyer Tie-12th) Carr Tie-12th) Mariota Tie-12th) Bortles Tie-12th) Watson Tie-12th) Dalton Tie-12th) Flacco Tie-12th) Glennon Tie-12th) McCown Tie-12th) Wilson 0 Tie-27th and last) Cousins 0 Tie-27th and last) Wentz 0 Tie-27th and last) Roethlisberger 0 (and the same missing three teams as above) NFL TD/INT ratio to the deep middle: 5/2 Tyrod after 1st Week Attempts to the deep middle: Tied for 16th and last with 0 Completions to the deep middle: Tied for 12th with 0 Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Sorry about that, heartfelt apologies. Last thing I'm going to do is have some coffee, though. I live in Japan and it's midnight and I'm headed for bed. Cool beans. 2 of the 3 missing teams are Miami and the Bucs. Game was cancelled because of hurricane. The 3rd missing QB is Bradford for Vikings. Not sure why he didn't get a chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Go have some coffee Thurman. Then come back and notice that I am not Transplant. You said deep and intermediate middle of the field is a problem. I said intermediate is not. Yes one week is an insignificant sample but I don't have a lot of time. It takes time to go through nine weeks of passing charts. I plan to do them, but it takes time and I will post the stats as I do them as well as merge them as I do them and post those as well. I am not doing this to argue with you. I am doing this because I like data. Yes Tyrod was 0 for 0 in week one. So were 13 other QBs. Haven't gotten to the other 8 weeks yet. Couldn't tell you. Havent gone through 9 weeks of passing charts yet. Also as noted ... they don't always do every QB. Don't know why, but they don't. Tyrod's Raiders game is missing for instance. Yes I pointed it out that it isn't a problem because it isn't. I can quickly glance at Taylors charts and see he is indeed throwing there. For instance this past week Taylor has 5 throws to the intermediate middle third of the field. 5/5 1 TD. No, I haven't compiled the stats yet. Again I am not Transplant. Also a quick note... While Taylor shows 1 pass (and I haven't actually verified that yet) to the deep middle, he has 3 other passes that I have seen so far that are on the border of the deep middle third chart. That is to say 1 square of the chart away, which by calculations is less than a yards difference as sideline to sideline is 53.3 yards and the charts are 54 squares wide. Another note... there probably aren't any other QBs that have thrown there 1 or less times. There are however QBs like say Carr that has 1 game with 2 throws there , 1 game with 1 throw there, and the rest of his games none. Meaning Tyrod could have just one game with 2 throws there and have just as many as Carr. There are other QBs like this too. And I like data, too. I'll be interested to see how it all turns out, and I'm wondering if I'll have some time to do some more in-depth work / research to check up on things like yards and such. Dunno, I'm pretty busy lately, but I'll see. As for the missing QBs, I see. The site didn't have charts for those teams, yeah? Lemme see ... Miami, Minny and Tampa Bay. As for the intermediate middle third, though, I'll disagree with you till I see some proof. I understand you don't have time to prove the case. Neither do I. But just as it looks to you like there's no problem, looks to me like there is. I know for sure there was a problem there his first year as I went through every single pass of every single game. And while I'm willing to be persuaded, an opposing unbacked up opinion doesn't persuade me (just as I apparently don't persuade you, even with the data from his first year. Fair enough.) Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 is it an obsession to dissect a player as been the case with taylor? I mean serious dissecting, like his every move. yeah, I'm thinking it's an obsession, no it's discussion, wait, definitely an obsession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: is it an obsession to dissect a player as been the case with taylor? I mean serious dissecting, like his every move. yeah, I'm thinking it's an obsession, no it's discussion, wait, definitely an obsession. This is a Tyrod thread right? The thread also points to him being a franchise QB in the title so IMO both sides should be discussed. Edited November 11, 2017 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: And I like data, too. I'll be interested to see how it all turns out, and I'm wondering if I'll have some time to do some more in-depth work / research to check up on things like yards and such. Dunno, I'm pretty busy lately, but I'll see. As for the missing QBs, I see. The site didn't have charts for those teams, yeah? Lemme see ... Miami, Minny and Tampa Bay. As for the intermediate middle third, though, I'll disagree with you till I see some proof. I understand you don't have time to prove the case. Neither do I. But just as it looks to you like there's no problem, looks to me like there is. I know for sure there was a problem there his first year as I went through every single pass of every single game. And while I'm willing to be persuaded, an opposing unbacked up opinion doesn't persuade me (just as I apparently don't persuade you, even with the data from his first year. Fair enough.) If you think of something you want added to the data that makes sense let me know. I am only in week 2 atm so it wouldn't be hard to go back and add it at this point. Right now I am tracking how many throws overall each week, how many deep middle third passes in those attempts, incompletions/completions, TDs/INTs, obviously the calculations that can be made from that, and who is throwing them/how many/ who isn't. I also have kept track of QB pass attempts by QB which could be added but I did not. I chose to show overall attempts vs attempts to the deep middle. I could show attempts versus attempts to deep middle by QB fairly easily if you want to add it later. Yes as to my last post those are the missing QBs. 2 of them didn't play that week because of hurricane and I am not sure why Bradford didn't get a chart. Its fine to disagree. You are right he didn't throw much there in the past. I see him throwing there more often this year. No, I don't have time for the data right now, but I would like to know as well. Maybe in the future I will have that time to do so. Now I have completed week 2 and here are the results: 1077 pass attempts 9 deep middle third attempts 0.8% of the throws or about 1 out of every 120 attempts 7 completions 2 TDs 0 INTs 25 of the 32 charted QBs did not throw to the deep middle or 78.1% did not QBs with no throws to the deep middle: Stafford Rodgers Ryan Wilson Hoyer Cousins Goff Siemian Prescott McCown Carr Rivers Winston Glennon Big Ben Keenum Brees Smith Bortles Mariota Brisset Newton Taylor Flacco Watson QBs with throws to the deep middle: Manning 1/1 TD (note this was a judgement one because it was right at the 20 yard mark with a smidge below maybe. In the end I gave it to him. Close enough) Cutler 1/1 Brady 1/1 Wentz 1/2 Palmer 1/2 TD Kizer 1/1 Dalton 1/1 Combined Totals Through 2 weeks: 2035 pass attempts 33 deep middle third attempts 1.62% of the throws or about 1 out of every 62 attempts Also I am thinking about just throwing this in a new thread that I can update as I do them. I can update the first post to reflect the stats as I go. This stuff will probably get buried and it isn't the original intent of the thread. Edited November 11, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 40 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: This is a Tyrod thread right? The thread also points to him being a franchise QB in the title so IMO both sides should be discussed. it's settled then, both sides are obsessed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 17 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: So why do you even come in the Taylor threads? Does this place mean that much to you that you even have to post in threads you don't actually want to discuss anymore? LOL no. I’m not the only one who gives passing comments on threads that are beaten to death....it’s just a little humorous. Its very safe to say your call out post earlier means this topic is very important to you and you’re not going to stop until you think you won. You gotta win Trans.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: it's settled then, both sides are obsessed. Welcome to the modern USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 If Taylor is to be considered as a franchise QB the next step is playoffs. I'm a Billiever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, Figster said: If Taylor is to be considered as a franchise QB the next step is playoffs. I'm a Billiever... Simply getting to the playoffs doesn’t mean you have a franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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