GreggTX Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Almost any running back can look good running behind a dominant offensive line. Almost any quarterback can look good passing behind a dominant offensive line. Yet the Bills (and other teams) refuse to put enough emphasis on that key component of a successful team. The biggest mistake this season and off season (aside from trading away the number one receiver) was not doing enough to improve the offensive line. There is a serious league wide lack of OL talent. Several high draft picks at OT, in particular, have never reached the level expected of them. It used to be QB's, but now with a few young QB's starting to play better, OL is a big concern for many teams -- not just Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) He did fine in the three wins with what he has. Who did he have last game to throw to? Open receivers. That he didn't throw to. I know that's not the answer you want to hear but it's still the truth. Plenty of open guys that he didn't go to. And you're overstating it that he did fine in our wins. Our wins this year have been due to terrific defense and an offense just scraping by. Tyrod hasn't had three fine games. One fine game and one pretty good one and one average maybe. You certainly can't blame all our offensive problems on Tyrod but he's been responsible for his share. They retained all five starters of one of the best OLines in the NFL the last two seasons. And they drafted one in the 2nd round. Yup. I predicted that we would miss Roman and his scheme more than people expected, particularly in the run game. And that's indeed how things have turned out. Remember how Roman was hated here by Tyrod fans in particular? And how Dennison was going to be the savior because he'd worked with Tyrod before and understood his strengths and was going to use them and we'd see a major upturn? Edited October 15, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 It's a good thing we changed our blocking scheme so we can be better this year. Why do NFL coaches always think they're the smartest person in the room? Is an unchallenged ego part of the job description? JPP, on 14 Oct 2017 - 7:43 PM, said: not surprising at all.......adjust the scheme...what the hell is ducese doing here anyways? We will see what happens next week....at the least bring up Reilly...... "They have" Question: "They have" during the break? Where did you get that info? Or do you mean "they have" for this season? In which case, we still have a major problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Out of the three categories of run concepts, outside zone was without a doubt the one that gave offensive lines the most problems. As a matter of fact, teams averaged just 3.84 yards on these plays leaguewide, which is the lowest out of the three examined categories. Furthermore, running backs averaged just 1.16 yards before contact on these runs, which is significantly lower than that of inside zone runs and gap scheme runs. https://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2017/6/29/15893258/new-orleans-saints-offensive-line-terron-armstead-max-unger-andrus-peat-ryan-ramczyk-zach-strief interesting article on Saints OL. Edited October 15, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 okay didnt know this......this is good.....could be worse could be the giants.....will be watching that game just to see what the hell theyre gonna do? If adding one or two running plays is "changing the scheme". He pulls the backside guard (usually Incognito) more now He ran a reverse once He's up to about running plays in his playbook now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Almost any running back can look good running behind a dominant offensive line. Almost any quarterback can look good passing behind a dominant offensive line. Yet the Bills (and other teams) refuse to put enough emphasis on that key component of a successful team. The biggest mistake this season and off season (aside from trading away the number one receiver) was not doing enough to improve the offensive line. The Bills did invest a 2nd round pick to try and address the right tackle position they also resigned Groy, Mills and added Ducasse to address depth. Glenn, InCog, and Wood were all comfortably projected to be good to great starters, while Miller on the right side has been average or better than average. I don't know really what more reasonably the Bills could have done other than maybe sign a better player than Ducasse to build depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) They tried. He wanted out. He did? Where did you hear that? It is my understanding that Kromer was under contract and had no choice if the new regime wanted him. The Bills themselves announced the "staff moves" which included Kromer: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-announce-coaching-staff-moves/056a2399-adb1-4804-9a48-a5907ac1433e Maybe you are correct, but that was not my understanding. The Bills could have kept anyone that was under contract (and had no choice in any event). Edited October 15, 2017 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5 This won't surprise anyone of us. Didn't think our line was a good fit for this scheme and so far it is. Surprised our pass blocking is that high, have seen some egregious sacks given up by our tackles. Almost any running back can look good running behind a dominant offensive line. Almost any quarterback can look good passing behind a dominant offensive line. Yet the Bills (and other teams) refuse to put enough emphasis on that key component of a successful team. The biggest mistake this season and off season (aside from trading away the number one receiver) was not doing enough to improve the offensive line. I think they will keep working on it as McD believes the foundation of any team is th lines. They drafted Dawkins who has potential and for some unknown reason in brought DuHastMeinch. Definitely should have retained that guy. You bring back all 5 OL starters, why wouldn't you keep their coach too? They want their own guys. There is a serious league wide lack of OL talent. Several high draft picks at OT, in particular, have never reached the level expected of them. It used to be QB's, but now with a few young QB's starting to play better, OL is a big concern for many teams -- not just Buffalo. Too much spread in college is not preparing O-linemen for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Our Oline doesn't pass the eye test. They are terrible. I don't care what PFF says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Yup. I predicted that we would miss Roman and his scheme more than people expected, particularly in the run game. And that's indeed how things have turned out. Remember how Roman was hated here by Tyrod fans in particular? And how Dennison was going to be the savior because he'd worked with Tyrod before and understood his strengths and was going to use them and we'd see a major upturn? Roman's system was literally Taylor-made. Probably the only system in the NFL that could generate a sufficient offense with such a throw-challenged quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 It's not just the system. Look at the O line coach. Our old coach who had this line up at 10 has gone to another team. And that team's line is much better now, and our O line is back to where it was before he was here. Castillo is crap. Dump him off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 He has to attempt the throws. If the wide receivers aren't good enough to bring them down then it's on them. Eating the ball and taking sacks - that's on Tyrod. Agreed, but the receivers need to get open too. The protection must be there, of course, but I always believed that playcalling is an underappreciated art. Keeping the defense guessing really helps. We also are using a very different blocking scheme which may not be a good fit given the personnel we have. Tyrod must attempt the throws, but continuously throwing into tight windows can lead to more picks. Your observation is correct, though. Just adding my own. There's plenty of blame to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I think they will keep working on it as McD believes the foundation of any team is th lines. They drafted Dawkins who has potential and for some unknown reason in brought DuHastMeinch. Whatever work they have been doing is apparently doing more harm than good. Maybe if they keep working at it, by the end of the season they can go from having last year's best run blocking offensive line to its absolute worst. That would be quite the accomplishment for this new regime. Dawkins will be good 2 years from now. Most lineman take a few years. They needed to address the right side of the line in free agency last year and they passed on it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Yes but look at pass blocking, PFF has us as the 7th best in the NFL in that regard so what should that tell you? It means Taylor sucks and isn't getting the job done. We give Peterman a chance and guarantee guys will suddenly be wide open similar to the move to Fitz from Edwards in 2010 and Orton from Manuel in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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