Howard and Jeremy amateur hour

[PromoTheRobot]

BLZFAN4LIFE when the Coach explains his offensive philosophy before the season starts as running the ball because you play in Buffalo, what do you expect?

 

Jeremy White and Schopp are right. We have yet another Head Coach who is obsessed with Field Position, Special Teams and running the ball. And yet again our passing game is among the weakest in the league.

 

Why is it pretty much every NFL head coach plays that way while every sports radio guy says do the opposite? Is there a clue there, somewhere?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

 

Why is it pretty much every NFL head coach plays that way while every sports radio guy says do the opposite? Is there a clue there, somewhere?

Well we've done the whole believe in the FO because they know more than the fans in Buffalo.

 

How is that working out for us? Look at these amazing draft picks and young emerging stars we have.

[PromoTheRobot]

Well we've done the whole believe in the FO because they know more than the fans in Buffalo.

 

How is that working out for us? Look at these amazing draft picks and young emerging stars we have.

 

So you are saying every NFL head coach is dumber about football than Mike Schopp and Jeremy White?

[McBean]

I like Jeremy White and Schoop.

 

They have both been spot on for awhile now with this team.

[jahbonas]

I suggest everyone that is so upset with WGR morning and afternoon shows critiquing the bills (justifiably) should listen to John Murphey's show which is a good 2 hours of promoting the company line and "everything is fine" talk

 

Donald Wilson provided great insight as to what happens on that last play to Zay Jones - information you will never get on the Jeremy & Howard show

When Norwood kicked his FG wide right - Jeremy jumped for joy - now we listen to this twirps opinion? He often sounds like an 8yr old who plays 50 fantasy football leagues

[plenzmd1]

 

So you are saying every NFL head coach is dumber about football than Mike Schopp and Jeremy White?

There are a ton of coaches that have a flawed philosophy based on learning football 30 years ago and not progressing. Your boy Doug Marrone being #1.

 

The game has changed. Much like basketball coaches who insist a 8 foot jump shot is better percentage shot than a 23'9 3 pointer, playing for field position, establishing run at all costs, picking guys cause they are better at special teams while there are better position players is a flawed, outdated strategy.

 

As is the obsession with penalties and turnovers.

Edited September 20, 2017 by plenzmd1

[jrober38]

Everyone knew the Bills' offense was going to be terrible this year. I imagine it's pretty hard for the radio guys to come up with creative things to talk about when the obvious problem is that our players just aren't good enough.

 

Anyone who is surprised by our offense, or actually thought the Bills might make the postseason is just a huge homer. They weren't looking at things objectively.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Everyone knew the Bills' offense was going to be terrible this year. I imagine it's pretty hard for the radio guys to come up with creative things to talk about when the obvious problem is that our players just aren't good enough.

 

Anyone who is surprised by our offense, or actually thought the Bills might make the postseason is just a huge homer. They weren't looking at things objectively.

 

 

I hate the fact that these are solid points.

 

Well said, JR...you jerk.

 

 

 

 

jk, but not about the compliment!

[metzelaars_lives]

Once you guys move out of Buffalo and listen to sports radio, you really will understand how great these two are for a morning show. Cleveland and Indy are by far, BY FAR, the worst I've heard. Indy thinks they are winning the chip every year. Cleveland? They think they'll split with Pitt and ravens and sneak their way to 8 wins, but they've been drafting top 5 forever.

 

They do a fine job and are usually right, regardless of how unpopular they can be at times.

Agreed completely. People love to pile on GR- it's actually a very solid sports talk radio station start to finish, especially considering its market size.

 

Why is it pretty much every NFL head coach plays that way while every sports radio guy says do the opposite? Is there a clue there, somewhere?

Every NFL head coach is obsessed with running the ball? Every NFL head coach goes run-run-pass the majority of the time? Every NFL head coach seeks to get more touches to a plodding 30-something fullback than his wide receivers each game? Do you ever watch, say, the Patriots or the Falcons or the Packers or any of the good teams play?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

You know what I think is amatuer hour?

 

Guys like Sal Capaccio saying that this Coaching Staff wouldn't want Steve Johnson in the locker room because of the guy he is.

 

Our savior Watkins has yet to have a season as good as Steve Johnson did for 3 years in a row.

 

This obsession with character. Joe Webb is taking up a roster spot because of his "leadership". Mike Tolbert is the back up running back because of his work ethic.

 

Just gag me with the McDermott talk.

 

Fans turned on Johnson because Marrone didn't like him, and because EJ couldn't figure out his irregular route patterns....

 

And here we go again with fans buying into this run the ball, work hard, lean on Special Teams approach that McDermott is building.

 

They've cut, let go, traded all playmaking ability at WR, have no viable backups at RB or TE and we have fans who still believe in this crap. There is no speed on the field at all with the Bills.

 

Our genius staff, much like Rex, thinks that you can line up and just run over people with McCoy on 27 carries a game. I'm not convinced that even if we drafted a good QB, that McDermott would change his approach at all.

[xRUSHx]

I would rather listen to them all day well them and instagators over listening to Murph and Jones pitch the party line

Right on man I agree

I agree so Sabres. Talk about Bills Defense and college QBs.

Again right on man

 

I think they're great. Don't always agree but listen every morning. Glad to have em.

I agree Edited September 20, 2017 by xRUSHx

[PromoTheRobot]

There are a ton of coaches that have a flawed philosophy based on learning football 30 years ago and not progressing. Your boy Doug Marrone being #1.

 

The game has changed. Much like basketball coaches who insist a 8 foot jump shot is better percentage shot than a 23'9 3 pointer, playing for field position, establishing run at all costs, picking guys cause they are better at special teams while there are better position players is a flawed, outdated strategy.

 

As is the obsession with penalties and turnovers.

 

Again, you are arguing that NFL coaches are not as smart as radio hosts when it comes to game strategy. This is not a discussion of McDermott alone. Most coaches play this way. There must be a reason.

Edited September 20, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[plenzmd1]

 

Again, you are arguing that NFL coaches are not as smart as radio hosts when it comes to game strategy. This is not a discussion of McDermott alone. Most coaches play this way. There must be a reason.

Think what ya want brother. If a Bills coach says it or believes it, I know in your mind it is Gospel. Has not mattered what coach we have had, GW, Jaton, Chan, Marrone., Rex.all geniuses in your mind. And yes, coaches absolutely play and coach so blame can be diverted to players as they "did what every other coach " would do, as idiot Rex said as he punted in OT from the plus side of the field in a game that a tie eliminates you.

 

And Rex was right, a lot of coaches would have kicked there, and they are idiots when it comes to game theory and situational football. And yep, I cannot design a play, but I can sure as chit understand clock management, game strategy and what philosophy is consistently winning in the league.

[PromoTheRobot]

Think what ya want brother. If a Bills coach says it or believes it, I know in your mind it is Gospel. Has not mattered what coach we have had, GW, Jaton, Chan, Marrone., Rex.all geniuses in your mind. And yes, coaches absolutely play and coach so blame can be diverted to players as they "did what every other coach " would do, as idiot Rex said as he punted in OT from the plus side of the field in a game that a tie eliminates you.

 

And Rex was right, a lot of coaches would have kicked there, and they are idiots when it comes to game theory and situational football. And yep, I cannot design a play, but I can sure as chit understand clock management, game strategy and what philosophy is consistently winning in the league.

I have no idea what you are arguing about. That all Bills coaches suck? Sure. Fine. They suck. The whole team sucks. Happy?

Edited September 20, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[plenzmd1]

 

I have no idea what you are arguing about. That all Bills coaches suck. Sure. Fine. They suck. Happy?

I am arguing that if Jeremy or Howard, or anyone really, disagrees with a Bills coach or a Bills philosphy, it does not make them wrong or "amateur" hour as the thread stated. 10 years ago, it was accepted wisdom that too many 3's killed your chances of winning a basketball game, much as accepted wisdom today in the NFL is that field position has to dictate your play calls, establishing a run must be your first priority, and that special teams are an equal third of the game. You believe if a good number of coaches believe those tenants, anyone who does not must be wrong.I believe just the opposite.

 

And to get into game theory with 90% of NFL coaches is just excruciating. The vast majority play not to lose, do not understand game theory when it comes to playing the opposite coach and his decision-making tendencies, win probabilities on both game and plays etc.

[PromoTheRobot]

So in a nutshell you think these coaches would win more games if they rolled the dice more?

 

I have a hard time believing any NFL coach would leave wins on the field out of fear. If analytics said it's better to go for it on 4th down or throw more down field, they would do it. I mean their jobs depend on wins.

 

As for the 3-point thing, is it the strategy or the player that changed the game? If you have a Curry hitting 75% it works. If you have Joe Shmoe lobbing bricks it doesn't.

Edited September 20, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[bbb]

So in a nutshell you think these coaches would win more games if they rolled the dice more?

 

I have a hard time believing any NFL coach would leave wins on the field out of fear. If analytics said it's better to go for it on 4th down or throw more down field, they would do it. I mean their jobs depend on wins.

 

As for the 3-point thing, is it the strategy or the player that changed the game? If you have a Curry hitting 75% it works. If you have Joe Shmoe lobbing bricks it doesn't.

 

This is the thing that Schoop never seems to address. I think the analytics people go by some leaguewide numbers of something - it seems they never account for the players who have to pull it off.

[Maddog69]

I actually enjoy Howard and Jeremy in the morning. I'm not really listening or deep analysis. I think they are entertaining.

I don't mind Murphy and Donald. They are what they are, team shills.

I HATE Schopp and the Bulldog. Bulldog might literally be the dumbest person in WNY, let alone on the radio and Schopp is a derelict. All he talks about are alcohol and gambling and how he really doesn't like the Bills. The station gets turned off as soon as I get in my car for the drive home. I used to try to listen, but would get annoyed and have to change it within 5 minutes

[plenzmd1]

 

This is the thing that Schoop never seems to address. I think the analytics people go by some leaguewide numbers of something - it seems they never account for the players who have to pull it off.

Numbers do not tell the whole story, but yes you use league-wide numbers and historical information to help make decisions.

So in a nutshell you think these coaches would win more games if they rolled the dice more?

 

I have a hard time believing any NFL coach would leave wins on the field out of fear. If analytics said it's better to go for it on 4th down or throw more down field, they would do it. I mean their jobs depend on wins.

 

As for the 3-point thing, is it the strategy or the player that changed the game? If you have a Curry hitting 75% it works. If you have Joe Shmoe lobbing bricks it doesn't.

Every single Bills coach in the drought has left wins on the table out of fear, as have the vast majority of coaches in the league.Look no further than Rex punting against Miami last year.

 

Changing tactics and going against the conventional wisdom may lead to 2 more wins, or maybe only 1 in the 10 games where decisions matter, but using conventional wisdom/decision making leads to zero criticism, where trying something different they would get chit for the same 8 games they lost. IE Belicheck going for it on 4th in the Colts game. Absolute right decision, but blamed cause the outcome was wrong.

Edited September 20, 2017 by plenzmd1

[bbb]

 

Every single Bills coach in the drought has left wins on the table out of fear, as have the vast majority of coaches in the league.Look no further than Rex punting against Miami last year.

 

Changing tactics and going against the conventional wisdom may lead to 2 more wins, or maybe only 1 in the 10 games where decisions matter, but using conventional wisdom/decision making leads to zero criticism, where trying something different they would get chit for the same 8 games they lost. IE Belicheck going for it on 4th in the Colts game. Absolute right decision, but blamed cause the outcome was wrong.

 

Not sure why you quoted me. You didn't address what I said at all.