Matthews: Blame Tyrod if you must.

[MAJBobby]

TJ Graham ran a lot of deep routes, too, he just didn't catch any. It was a bare tree.

Yeah it does suck when proven wrong, i have just shown the Myth of no deep route runner on this team.

 

No they're great. Opposing DCs lie awake at night in fear.

No no one lies awake in fear because they look at who is playing QB

[JM2009]

TJ Graham ran a lot of deep routes, too, he just didn't catch any. It was a bare tree.

Always think of Wilson when Grahams name is brought up. Depressing.

[Kelly the Dog]

Yeah it does suck when proven wrong, i have just shown the Myth of no deep route runner on this team.

No one said there was no one to run routes. No one. We all meant or said there is no threat to catch deep passes with any consistency, so teams will load the box with eight or nine defenders.

[MAJBobby]

No one said there was no one to run routes. No one. We all meant or said there is no threat to catch deep passes with any consistency, so teams will load the box with eight or nine defenders.

How do yoh know if he is a threat to catch em if the QB wont throw them because he is not college open.

 

And yes i can go through this entire thread and pull quote after quote of no deep threat.

 

Newsflash you dont need 4.3 speed to get deep

Edited September 18, 2017 by MAJBobby

[LABILLBACKER]

Basically his only throwing strength was the deep ball. Now that Sammy & Marquise are gone, this entire passing attack will be revamped to stress more crossing routes and less fly routes. Peterman will be the first to implement this followed by whoever we draft in April. Once TT is released after this season, he will return to his old role as a good backup.

[Kelly the Dog]

How do yoh know if he is a threat to catch em if the QB wont throw them because he is not college open

Because they haven't tried it more than twice in two games?

So the coaches and QB agree?

Edited September 18, 2017 by Kelly the Dog

[YoloinOhio]

The title of this thread was misleading to me.

 

I thought it was Jordan Matthews saying this.

haha me too - but it didn't sound like anything he would say. Made me click though!

[MAJBobby]

Because they haven't tried it more than twice in two games?

Really? I suggest you watch the all 22s and see the WR route patterns. There are more than enough 25 yards and deeper (deep routes).

 

Deep routes do not mean 9 routes with a 4.3 sprinter

Edited September 18, 2017 by MAJBobby

[Kelly the Dog]

Really? I suggest you watch the all 22s and see the WR route patterns. There are more than enough 25 yards and deeper (deep routes).

Thrown the ball.

[MAJBobby]

Thrown the ball.

That on the WR or the Conservative QB?

[Kelly the Dog]

That on the WR or the Conservative QB?

That's on the HC and OC and QB all deciding it's not worth it.

[CircleTheWagons99]

Sorry. Lost you when I read "its not fair to Tyrod". He makes Millions of dollars to play a game.

[MAJBobby]

That's on the HC and OC and QB all deciding it's not worth it.

Really hmmmm

 

So its on the HC and OC fault that the routes are called, the WRs are even (meaning open in NFL)?

 

Or is it the WRs fault for not being college open so TT will pull the trigger?

 

Or is it the myth that there are no deep threat WRs on this team?

 

Cause we know it cant be a conservative QB that wont pull the trigger

[Kelly the Dog]

Really hmmmm

So its on the HC and OC fault that the routes are called, the WRs are even (meaning open in NFL)?

Or is it the WRs fault for not being college open so TT will pull the trigger?

Or is it the myth that there are no deep threat WRs on this team?

Cause we know it cant be a conservative QB that wont pull the trigger

If the HC and OC thought the QB had guys open deep on plays they called that the QB didn't throw, they would make him or bench him.

[BADOLBILZ]

"Target and Route Breakdown

 

I charted Holmes with 53 targets (including penalties). 20 came on first down, 13 on second down, 19 on third, and one on fourth. Holmes hauled in 25 passes -- 20 moved the chains -- for 431 yards and his first career touchdown. Of his 28 targets that weren't hauled in, I credited Holmes with three drops. Seven of Holmes' targets came in the red zone, and he was stopped at the one-yard line twice. He could have easily scored four-to-five more touchdowns.

 

On Holmes' 53 targets, I jotted down what kind of route he ran. He ran 11 "go" routes, seven "in" routes, six double-moves, five comebacks, four crossing routes, four hitches, three slants, three outs, three drags, two posts, two corner routes, two back-shoulder fades, and one sit-down route.

 

Holmes was asked to run a lot of routes of the intermediate-to-deep variety, which is obviously part of the reason he caught fewer than 50 percent of the passes that came his direction. Also working against Holmes was Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin's inability to get the ball to him in stride or at chest level. On one instance, Pryor overthrew Holmes on a deep ball when had a step or two on Ike Taylor that may have gone for a long touchdown. Pryor was 4-for-15 throwing to Holmes, while McGloin was 21-for-38. I noticed that Holmes was often McGloin's first read. He knew all he had to do was throw it up to the high-flying Holmes to have a chance at a big play."

 

 

 

Nope yeah Obviously not a deep route runner.

 

 

Yeah we were all aware of the optimism regarding Holmes maybe resuscitating his long stalled and very modest receiving career in Buffalo..........but that was a long shot and it got longer when Watkins got dealt and everyone got bumped up a spot on the coverage assignment ladder.

Edited September 18, 2017 by #BADOL

[MAJBobby]

If the HC and OC thought the QB had guys open deep on plays they called that the QB didn't throw, they would make him or bench him.

Ahhh really? Hmmmm ok. And TT will be benched before this season is over.

 

 

Yeah we were all aware of the optimism regarding Holmes maybe resuscitating his long stalled and very modest receiving career in Buffalo..........but that was a long shot and it got longer when Watkins got dealt and everyone got bumped up a spot on the coverage assignment ladder.

Why not we are also all aware of the optimism regarding Taylor maybe improving his anticipation and ability to throw a WR open..........But that was a long shot

 

So instead we will make up some false claim that this team is full of slot WRs, and TT was set up for failure and all the other excuses.

[Kelly the Dog]

Ahhh really? Hmmmm ok..

So you're saying with the equivalent of a straight face that if Tyrod Taylor got repeated playcalls to look and throw deep, had guys repeatedly open on those playcalls, and then DIDNT pull the trigger on these wide open guys on deep pass play calls, the coaches would just be cool with that and tell him to keep doing what he is doing? Not make him throw deep, the thing he likes and does best?

 

Your an idiot.

[MAJBobby]

So you're saying with the equivalent of a straight face that if Tyrod Taylor got repeated playcalls to look and throw deep, had guys repeatedly open on those playcalls, and then DIDNT pull the trigger on these wide open guys on deep pass play calls, the coaches would just be cool with that and tell him to keep doing what he is doing? Not make him throw deep, the thing he likes and does best?

 

Your an idiot.

He wont make the throw if the WR is not college open. So yes he will take the conservative play. And then the conservative coaching staff will talk about we left plays on the field. Need to get to tape and work to correct and TT kept us in the game.

 

At least i got off the fallacy of no deep threat

Edited September 18, 2017 by MAJBobby

[26CornerBlitz]

So you're saying with the equivalent of a straight face that if Tyrod Taylor got repeated playcalls to look and throw deep, had guys repeatedly open on those playcalls, and then DIDNT pull the trigger on these wide open guys on deep pass play calls, the coaches would just be cool with that and tell him to keep doing what he is doing? Not make him throw deep, the thing he likes and does best?

 

Your an idiot.

 

The crusading anti-Tyrod blindspot is quite revealing if the argument is advocating Holmes as any kind of legit deep threat. He's a journeyman who's best suited for ST contributions.

[Kelly the Dog]

He wont make the throw if the WR is not college open. So yes he will take the conservative play. And then the conservative coaching staff will talk about we left plays on the field. Need to get to tape and work to correct and TT kept us in the game.

At least i got off the fallacy of no deep threat

So in other words they are fine with it, they don't really like touchdowns like TT apparently doesn't, and won't make him throw deep when the play is there to be made. Right. That's believable.