GG Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I feel so "out of the loop". Since when did "articulate" become a derogatory term? When it's used to describe black athletes. But back on topic, the OP is getting too much flack from people who clearly haven't listened to the interview. It's not that Jones and Matthews speak well,but the content of the conversations. It's the corollary to the lunch pail tags. Apparently only non athletic white guys can be students of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 you really should attend the trends. So much so fast, i can barely articulate the words to describe it all! These times They are a changin' ....give me time with these big words...."SEE SPOT RUN" remains a challenge........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 ....give me time with these big words...."SEE SPOT RUN" remains a challenge........ I have to tell you, I did a bit of time travel in my mind. I do recall these books a bit. Run Spot Run ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Hughes gives a good interview, especially when he is apologizing for making stupid penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I have to tell you, I did a bit of time travel in my mind. I do recall these books a bit. Run Spot Run ! ....you're a youngin',....I'm older than dirt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 He lacked physical talent... One of them thar "high motor" guys, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 PPP would love to shread this thread. Theres a lot of articulate people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Its not a derogatory term. The next time someone starts a thread commenting on how Nathan Peterman and Eric Wood are so well-spoken will be the first time. Jim Kelly talks like he has marbles in his mouth- there, now everything better again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 When it's used to describe black athletes. But back on topic, the OP is getting too much flack from people who clearly haven't listened to the interview. It's not that Jones and Matthews speak well,but the content of the conversations. It's the corollary to the lunch pail tags. Apparently only non athletic white guys can be students of the game. Listening to the interview doesn't dismiss the notion of expectations. The reason this thread exists is because OP is surprised that JMatt and Zay can communicate at an adult level. He doesn't expect Zay and JMatt to be capable of this lofty feat of "well-spoken". Why is that? I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I'm not offended by the observation or OP's choice of words. I'm a bit surprised that OP himself is surprised by the reaction his thread has gotten. Or at least I would be surprised if I hadn't already seen this same thread started a number of times. Starting this thread requires a certain lack of awareness. Flack is an effective learning tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 ....you're a youngin',....I'm older than dirt..... you might think so. i am pretty tight with dirt and he never mentioned you PPP would love to shread this thread. Theres a lot of articulate people there. and now we resort to name calling.. oh great Jim Kelly talks like he has marbles in his mouth- there, now everything better again! uh oh. I thought we were bringing in Miss Manners under pro bono contract ? Listening to the interview doesn't dismiss the notion of expectations. The reason this thread exists is because OP is surprised that JMatt and Zay can communicate at an adult level. He doesn't expect Zay and JMatt to be capable of this lofty feat of "well-spoken". Why is that? I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I'm not offended by the observation or OP's choice of words. I'm a bit surprised that OP himself is surprised by the reaction his thread has gotten. Or at least I would be surprised if I hadn't already seen this same thread started a number of times. Starting this thread requires a certain lack of awareness. Flack is an effective learning tool. Flack. interesting articulated bit or wording i might surmise. as I may have well mentioned upstream, you certainly qualify as a qualified prognosticator. and i applaud you in spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Listening to the interview doesn't dismiss the notion of expectations. The reason this thread exists is because OP is surprised that JMatt and Zay can communicate at an adult level. He doesn't expect Zay and JMatt to be capable of this lofty feat of "well-spoken". Why is that? I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I'm not offended by the observation or OP's choice of words. I'm a bit surprised that OP himself is surprised by the reaction his thread has gotten. Or at least I would be surprised if I hadn't already seen this same thread started a number of times. Starting this thread requires a certain lack of awareness. Flack is an effective learning tool. Well, not really. I said I see a difference in the players McBeane are bringing in, you're acting like I'm surprised that there are smart black athletes... Not surprised, more like intrigued, wondering if it will ultimately work taking the higher character/intelligent players over those who have more raw talent. Gotcha, when I think of "Patriot Smarter" for example any of their TE's for the last decade must be the "smarter" you are referring too? But you have to go to exceptions to the rules in that scenario correct? Like it or not, there is a paradigm shift at OBD it seems, let's see how it works out! Oh, and as far as the 1990's "fine young articulate man" stuff, honestly, go back to all the draft talk from that era and listen to GM's and other personnel talking about white vs. black athletes back then. To me it is akin to watching old cartoons that were still on TV in the 70's & 80's, the cartoons they don't show on TV these days. I guarantee you there is some very cringe worthy stuff. Edited August 23, 2017 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 you might think so. i am pretty tight with dirt and he never mentioned you and now we resort to name calling.. oh great uh oh. I thought we were bringing in Miss Manners under pro bono contract ? And a disclaimer- he talked this way well before his cancer. Flack. interesting articulated bit or wording i might surmise. as I may have well mentioned upstream, you certainly qualify as a qualified prognosticator. and i applaud you in spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Listening to the interview doesn't dismiss the notion of expectations. The reason this thread exists is because OP is surprised that JMatt and Zay can communicate at an adult level. He doesn't expect Zay and JMatt to be capable of this lofty feat of "well-spoken". Why is that? I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I'm not offended by the observation or OP's choice of words. I'm a bit surprised that OP himself is surprised by the reaction his thread has gotten. Or at least I would be surprised if I hadn't already seen this same thread started a number of times. Starting this thread requires a certain lack of awareness. Flack is an effective learning tool. Of course expectations and stereotypes play a big part, but I also came away impressed after listening to the interviews about how versed in the game both Jones and Matthews are, especially Matthews' comments about Bills offense only one week in. It's refreshing to hear that from skill players, if only to break the stereotype. As an aside, Holmes also has a good voice for broadcasting. Who knows, maybe these kids actually put the time in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Listening to the interview doesn't dismiss the notion of expectations. The reason this thread exists is because OP is surprised that JMatt and Zay can communicate at an adult level. He doesn't expect Zay and JMatt to be capable of this lofty feat of "well-spoken". Why is that? I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I'm not offended by the observation or OP's choice of words. I'm a bit surprised that OP himself is surprised by the reaction his thread has gotten. Or at least I would be surprised if I hadn't already seen this same thread started a number of times. Starting this thread requires a certain lack of awareness. Flack is an effective learning tool. Exactly. And ask T-Bomb if he thinks Kaepernick is well spoken. Hey T-Bomb. Is Kaepernick well spoken? How about Cornel West? Eldridge Cleaver? Chuck D? Bob Marley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) I don't know why, but I know these threads never start with Peterman, Hogan, and Wood as the subject. I guess specifically to reply to that, my take would be: Hogan was/is never going to be a #1 WR, so who cares how intelligent/non-intelligent he is, he's a specialist type player not one of the backbones of an offense. Watkins, Matthews and/or Jones are or will be #1's, that's what I am comparing. Peterman is not the starting QB, nor will he be unless Tyrod has a serious meltdown this season, so at the moment, he is not in the conversation that pertains to how well this team does this season. Maybe he does fit into the paradigm shift OBD is going for, but in terms of this season, no. And as far as Wood goes, I think to play OL positions a player has to be more cerebral by default, plus I guess I never really watch the OL interview videos, I tend to gravitate towards QB and skill positions. And I guess if you're saying that these threads don't start with white players as the subject, well, teams in the NFL don't have very many white players at skill positions. If the Bills had traded away a white #1 WR with Sammy's skillset and drafted a white WR like Jones and traded for a white WR like Matthews, then maybe we could be comparing that situation and the thread would be about white guys... Edited August 23, 2017 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Jim Kelly talks like he has marbles in his mouth- there, now everything better again! And Richie is very articulate. We cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 And Richie is very articulate. We cool? Absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I'd rather have Marshawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Plenty of guys with talent, smarts, and maturity. I'm not sure why people argue as though it is one or the other. The same tired debate rolls on. Look around the league and you will find these types of players everywhere. Our biggest problem in this drought is QB for sure but we also never seem to get a Larry Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I'm sure Zay and JMatt would be positively delighted to hear about how they're so "well-spoken" and "articulate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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