boyst Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 i remember when everyone was disappointed with kevin killdrive. being predictable. calling the wrong plays. etc. he went to the gints and won two super bowls over the patriots* dennison may not be that but it is possible to sometimes find a better fitting in a new team with the right personnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) The day we hired Rico, a buddy of mine who works for Denver called me and told me; "You will be pulling your hair out in frustration with how predictable Dennison is". He is horrendous at the beginning of games, look for us to be down early, often next year. Imo Who called the plays there was it rico or gary?This is a legitimate question. Edited May 31, 2017 by Bill_with_it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Thanks all for the positive responses and adding to the conversation. I really didn't think people would be too interested, I was just bored, haha. I did not take into account how many plays were called by RD. I'm not sure exactly what his roles were when he was with either Shanahan or Kubiak, we know both of those coaches definitely had themselves mixed into playcalling, I'm just not sure how often the decisions were on those guys or on RD and I'm not sure info like that would be found unless you worked with those dudes. I think it bodes well that RD was able to get some solid seasons out of Matt Schaub. I won't discredit Kubiak's influence there but RD, being the OC, clearly had a hand in identifying what Schaub could and couldn't do. A few of the reasons I expect an uptick in the passing game would be, I think McDermott and Beane would like to see Tyrod in certain situations where they have to throw the ball to see if he can get it done. Another reason would simply be the switch from Roman's offense to Dennison's. While Roman has always been known as a wizard in the run game and with blocking schemes, his passing concepts have never been good. So while he flourished because of the unpredictability in his run schemes, he floundered because of the predictability in his passing schemes. Teams weren't afraid to leave 8 in the box not only because they knew the run was coming and not only because they didn't feel any pressure from Taylor as a passer, but also because on film the route concepts and such were just very basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Tyrod showed some passing skills in his last game of 2016. I'll bet that game has been watched by Sean and Rick over and over again. I expect to see the Offense show run, run, run the first few plays of 2017, but they are going to test Tyrod's ability to hit a receiver on a slant route over the middle over and over and over again. If he completes the majority of these passes, he will finish the season as starting QB. If he doesn't complete these passes, look for Peterman off the bench, early and often. This coaching staff won't be screwing around trying to figure out how to best use Tyrod. They don't strike me as guys who will be comfortable watching him dance around like a chicken with his head cut off. Either he cuts the mustard, or they junk him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Its about the players that a team has not the coaches schemes A coach can either adapt to what he actually has or he cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Its about the players that a team has not the coaches schemes That might be true in a perfect world, but we just watched Rex Ryan do the opposite, didn't we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 That might be true in a perfect world, but we just watched Rex Ryan do the opposite, didn't we ? I think JfH's argument was partly born from the Ryan failure. He should've adapted to what his players did well, but he forced his scheme on them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I think JfH's argument was partly born from the Ryan failure. He should've adapted to what his players did well, but he forced his scheme on them instead. bingo I am hoping that our new coaching staff is looking at what did not work.....then looked at what worked well (it was just 2 years ago that this D was ELITE) and go from there. Going back to a 4-3 will hopefully restimulate certain players (Marcell.....cough cough) that are being payed blue chip money and need to get back to their dominate selves. It would make SUCH a difference in this team. A overpowering unstoppable DT in the middle of that line would open things up for the edge rushers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Not to change the subject or anything, but............... Why in the world would Dennison start Tyrod over Peterman this year ? Unless they are planning on making a run for the Playoffs, for some reason. Tyrod is a career backup, and a good one, but we are in the beginning stages of a total rebuild and to have Tyrod out there establishing chemistry with a bunch of new receivers is curious. Everybody knows that we are going to use one of next years 1st round picks on a Franchise QB. That means Tyrod has 1 or 2 more years AT BEST. Why not start Peterman, who is known to be able to stand in the pocket and throw the quick slant, with the new receiving team, and see if he can establish some chemistry and rhythm. Maybe, just maybe, Peterman might look like the best 5th round QB since Dak Prescott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Why in the world would Dennison start Tyrod over Peterman this year ? Unless they are planning on making a run for the Playoffs, for some reason. Because he has wanted to work with Tyrod since their days in Baltimore together. Tyrod is a career backup 2 year starter, and a good mediocre one with lots of ups and downs, but we are in the beginning stages of a total rebuild and to have Tyrod out there establishing chemistry with a bunch of new receivers is curious. fixed that for you Everybody knows that we are going to use one of next years 1st round picks on a Franchise QB. That means Tyrod has 1 or 2 more years AT BEST. So, because we're picking a QB in the 1st they're definitely going to be better? I'd suggest you wait and see about that before jettisoning your starting QB. Why not start Peterman, who is known to be able to stand in the pocket and throw the quick slant has never played a down in the NFL, with the new receiving team, and see if he can establish some chemistry and rhythm. Maybe, just maybe, Peterman might look like the best 5th round QB since Dak Prescott - a 4th round QB. fixed that for you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Not to change the subject or anything, but............... Why in the world would Dennison start Tyrod over Peterman this year ? Unless they are planning on making a run for the Playoffs, for some reason. Tyrod is a career backup, and a good one, but we are in the beginning stages of a total rebuild and to have Tyrod out there establishing chemistry with a bunch of new receivers is curious. Everybody knows that we are going to use one of next years 1st round picks on a Franchise QB. That means Tyrod has 1 or 2 more years AT BEST. Why not start Peterman, who is known to be able to stand in the pocket and throw the quick slant, with the new receiving team, and see if he can establish some chemistry and rhythm. Maybe, just maybe, Peterman might look like the best 5th round QB since Dak Prescott. Im not trying to knock Peterman....I hope he comes in and kills it but a couple of things here A 5th round pick coming in and blowing people away like Dak did is NOT the norm sir Dak appears to have more physical tools......in particular his arm is very good In Dallas Romo went down....or Dak never gets off the bench..... In my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaz Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 The day we hired Rico, a buddy of mine who works for Denver called me and told me; "You will be pulling your hair out in frustration with how predictable Dennison is". He is horrendous at the beginning of games, look for us to be down early, often next year. Imo Could this have something to do with the offensive talent? Their offense has not been good of late and we know that the bowl win was a defensive effort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Not to change the subject or anything, but............... Why in the world would Dennison start Tyrod over Peterman this year ? Unless they are planning on making a run for the Playoffs, for some reason. Tyrod is a career backup 2 year starter, and a good mediocre one, but we are in the beginning stages of a total rebuild and to have Tyrod out there establishing chemistry with a bunch of new receivers is curious. Everybody knows that we are going to use one of next years 1st round picks on a Franchise QB. That means Tyrod has 1 or 2 more years AT BEST. Why not start Peterman, who is known to be able to stand in the pocket and throw the quick slant, has never played a down in the NFL with the new receiving team, and see if he can establish some chemistry and rhythm. Maybe, just maybe, Peterman might look like the best 5th round QB since Dak Prescott. Because he has wanted to work with Tyrod since their days in Baltimore together. fixed that for you So, because we're picking a QB in the 1st they're definitely going to be better? I'd suggest you wait and see about that before jettisoning your starting QB. fixed that for you too. Bump Why are people always in such a hurry to "see what we have" in a "new shiny" at QB? Peterman may be all that and a bag of chips, or he may not. There's a truism that in a training camp battle, a mediocre vet will almost always beat out a hot rookie (Wilson would probably be the exception) There's a reason for that - it takes time to learn an NFL system and assimilate it to the point where a new QB can recognize what he sees on the field. Unless you're trying to lose, there's no point and even then, it's bad for the QB and bad for the team. As for losing, overall "tanking" is overrated in the NFL. Teams that "tank" and pick in the top 3, may improve to mediocrity but then typically seem to sink back to the bottom - see 2000 Chargers, Browns, Cardinals. Tanking may help you draft a couple good players, but the teams that do best seem to be ones that build a winning culture and are ready to take a step, then go "all in" for the final pieces Edited June 3, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseTooth Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Great post blacklabel. Nice to have this info. complied into one place. I think his zone blocking scheme will be good for McCoy and the run game but I am not convinced on TT playing from under center more.... He seems to struggle to see the middle of the field and playing under center will not help this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 i remember when everyone was disappointed with kevin killdrive. being predictable. calling the wrong plays. etc. he went to the gints and won two super bowls over the patriots* dennison may not be that but it is possible to sometimes find a better fitting in a new team with the right personnel The success or failure of a franchise is determined in so many ways by the ability to find the right fit in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) The success or failure of a franchise is determined in so many ways by the ability to find the right fit in my humble opinion. ...Ditka pretty much summed it up....."you can have THE greatest system in the world, but if you don't have the personnel to execute it, you fail..PERIOD".......and realistically, how much time to you have to find the right personnel when a coaching change happens in a "win now " league?...Wrecks was an epic failure with his highly complex, antiquated system and Bflo wasted time dismantling a top five defense to get "his guys".....it's incumbent on Dennison to design a system around TT's weaknesses ala scanning the entire field in <5 seconds, reads, progressions, backfield utilization and a semblance of a quicker WCO with his wheels becoming a viable threat versus dire necessity to make this work...passing game needs to be a viable, threatening option versus an afterthought.....Peterman kid seems to have the mental aspect down at least at the COLLEGE LEVEL which is a big accomplishment IMO...... Edited June 3, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Because he has wanted to work with Tyrod since their days in Baltimore together. fixed that for you So, because we're picking a QB in the 1st they're definitely going to be better? I'd suggest you wait and see about that before jettisoning your starting QB. fixed that for you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) ....not sure how much stock to put into Dennison & Taylor together with Ravens...Taylor was there since 2011 and Dennison for only one year in 2014......with Flacco being the "Big Dawg", not sure how much time Dennison actually spent with TT in depth.... Edited June 3, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Good informative post by the OP. Honestly, it's so hard to evaluate coordinators who run the specialty of the team's head coach. You always wonder how much of a say they get in game day play calling or if they are just figure heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 ...Ditka pretty much summed it up....."you can have THE greatest system in the world, but if you don't have the personnel to execute it, you fail..PERIOD".......and realistically, how much time to you have to find the right personnel when a coaching change happens in a "win now " league?...Wrecks was an epic failure with his highly complex, antiquated system and Bflo wasted time dismantling a top five defense to get "his guys".....it's incumbent on Dennison to design a system around TT's weaknesses ala scanning the entire field in <5 seconds, reads, progressions, backfield utilization and a semblance of a quicker WCO with his wheels becoming a viable threat versus dire necessity to make this work...passing game needs to be a viable, threatening option versus an afterthought.....Peterman kid seems to have the mental aspect down at least at the COLLEGE LEVEL which is a big accomplishment IMO...... innovative coaching can go a long way in uniting the systems and its players and to me its one of the main ingredients in the recipe for success in the NFL IMO. The league is constantly evolving with rule change/additions and new ways to attack and defend the opposition with a revolving door from player injury. Get innovative or get beat... Good informative post by the OP. Honestly, it's so hard to evaluate coordinators who run the specialty of the team's head coach. You always wonder how much of a say they get in game day play calling or if they are just figure heads. good point Biscuit, and you also wonder how much of the HC rubbed off onto the assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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