JohnC Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 A total of 3 WRs went between picks 10 and 62. Clearly the team felt strongly enough about Jones over Samuel and JuJu that they made a move. You can get upset about giving up picks as a principle, but to do it in the name of getting players simply based on your perception of what they guy can do (I wouldn't call anyone with 4.45 speed, a sub-7.0 3-cone, and 4.0 flat in the 20s that scored 23 TDs in college as a "possession WR") is folly. Evaluate the trade based on draft pick value? Sure. Evaluate it based on player value? Unbelievably early for that. It's obvious that the Bills liked Jones and targeted him. But he falls within the #2 type receiver without the upside to be a #1 receiver. The issue isn't what he is as a player so much as what do you give up for this type of receiver. For the sake of argument if you give up a prospect such as Jake Butt, a TE, (rehabbing knee injury) who before being injured was a second round prospect then I would say the trade for moving up was too costly. As far as considering the trade value points I don't give a dam. The primary issue is does the deal make your overall roster better. On this particular deal I would say no because this roster has so many needs. In addition, there still was a good chance that he would have been on the board when it was our turn to make a selection in that round. For me gratuitously giving up a relatively high round pick was not a smart move. Very often when you try to outsmart others you end up outsmarting yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 We should have just stayed where we were and taken Mahomes right? And what is Zay Jones turns out to be our #1 in a year or two? No one really knows how to grade the drafts at the moment except on the appearance there of. From that appearance there of a vast majority of the so called experts loved the Bills draft. We got an extra 1st for 2018, addressed needs with what could even be called the BPA at each position, and still had the same amount of picks in this draft as we had originally. We drafted a QB that we were fortunate to be able to grab in the 5th who is a perfect scheme fit for the offense. Then we capped it off with a couple of athletic LB's who can at least contribute on ST. I'd say McDermott did fairly well in his first crack at it if he was the one in charge. I don't want to spend too much time debating Zay Jones. I do think he he low upside and regardless you don't give up a 3rd round pick in a draft this loaded with talent to move up a few spots. Even if you love Zay Jones. It's obvious that the Bills liked Jones and targeted him. But he falls within the #2 type receiver without the upside to be a #1 receiver. The issue isn't what he is as a player so much as what do you give up for this type of receiver. For the sake of argument if you give up a prospect such as Jake Butt, a TE, (rehabbing knee injury) who before being injured was a second round prospect then I would say the trade for moving up was too costly. As far as considering the trade value points I don't give a dam. The primary issue is does the deal make your overall roster better. On this particular deal I would say no because this roster has so many needs. In addition, there still was a good chance that he would have been on the board when it was our turn to make a selection in that round. For me gratuitously giving up a relatively high round pick was not a smart move. Very often when you try to outsmart others you end up outsmarting yourself. I know people who think Zay Jones is a #3 or #4 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Maybe you can help me get one? What NFL player who isn't a Bill should I get? Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I don't want to spend too much time debating Zay Jones. I do think he he low upside and regardless you don't give up a 3rd round pick in a draft this loaded with talent to move up a few spots. Even if you love Zay Jones. I know people who think Zay Jones is a #3 or #4 WR. I know scouts that thought that Dak Prescott didn't belong on an NFL practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I know scouts that thought that Dak Prescott didn't belong on an NFL practice squad. Yes, unfortunately a lot of scouts need to retire and let new people do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I know scouts that thought that Dak Prescott didn't belong on an NFL practice squad. Someone, after his junior season, thought he was a H-Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Someone, after his junior season, thought he was a H-Back. He did make a huge leap after that year. But that was part of Dak's great intangibles as he went to coach and asked for an offense to better prepare for NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 So you have time for opinions on what the right avatar should be for others but are too lazy to find one for yourself. Splendid. . You really think it's lazy? Maybe it's because I exclusively post from my phone and I don't believe the mobile option allows it? I guess I'm wrong to think it's a bit weird to have a Kansas City Chief avatar on a Buffalo Bills message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Yes, unfortunately a lot of scouts need to retire and let new people do the work. Either that, or scouts get it wrong on occasion. I'm 100% sure that the scouts that you know get it wrong sometimes too. Someone, after his junior season, thought he was a H-Back. Someone else (this guy) said that after his senior season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Either that, or scouts get it wrong on occasion. I'm 100% sure that the scouts that you know get it wrong sometimes too. Someone else (this guy) said that after his senior season Of course. No one bats 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Of course. No one bats 100%. I see baseball analogies are tough for you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Someone else (this guy) said that after his senior season Keeping things on-topic; one of the biggest questions I'd have for any potential GM is examples of self-evaluation. Not a job where you can keep on being stubborn. I see baseball analogies are tough for you too. I thought he knocked it right through the goalposts, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Keeping things on-topic; one of the biggest questions I'd have for any potential GM is examples of self-evaluation. Not a job where you can keep on being stubborn. I thought he knocked it right through the goalposts, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I love that acquiring another first round pick next year qualifies as throwing away picks! I love that it will be Bean and McDermott who got us the extra pick, not Whaley when the books are written in the anals of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go-Bills Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Bear's our man! A new culture at One Bills Drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 2nd interview coming soon. Good chance he's the guy although everyone knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Yes, unfortunately a lot of scouts need to retire and let new people do the work. So only old scouts are missing on their evaluations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I don't want to spend too much time debating Zay Jones. I do think he he low upside and regardless you don't give up a 3rd round pick in a draft this loaded with talent to move up a few spots. Even if you love Zay Jones. I know people who think Zay Jones is a #3 or #4 WR. And I know people who think he should have went 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 jeffismagic is the poster child for someone who doesn't understand the difference between opinion and fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 So only old scouts are missing on their evaluations? No, but many of the scouts still working in the NFL are trying to draft players for the wrong decade. This is especially true for the QB position. jeffismagic is the poster child for someone who doesn't understand the difference between opinion and fact. Maybe that is your problem. I know people on here who insist that every opinion given needs to end with, In My Opinion. Basic reading comprehension can get rid of this need in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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