BringBackOrton Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Doesnt the ? say enough? Sammy Watkins had a jones fracture last year.....and when he was playing he was taking himself out of games due to pain Just because his name is in the lineup doesnt mean he was actually available to this team as a weapon last year. I would also mention that Robert Woods has played with a groin issue for the last TWO YEARS......were we getting a 100 percent player there? We pulled Percy Harvin OFF THE COUCH....who promptly played 2 games and went on IR..... Long story long.....we did NOT have a full compliment of receivers last year. I never said we did. You'd be hard pressed to find players who aren't battling some kind of nagging something every year. The Robert Woods groin smells like revisionist history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 sorry but... aint. gonna. happen. Wel if he doesn't, we have 2 first round picks next year to go grab whoever Beane and company see as a potential franchise QB. This organization is in a great spot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) I never said we did. You'd be hard pressed to find players who aren't battling some kind of nagging something every year. The Robert Woods groin smells like revisionist history. So your saying the groin injury did not exist? and you tell me a team that goes down to its 3rd receiver and is successful Edited May 14, 2017 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 So your saying the groin injury did not exist? and you tell me a team that goes down to its 3rd receiver and is successful Like my original post said, there were barely any games that TT didn't have Sammy, Woods or Clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Like my original post said, there were barely any games that TT didn't have Sammy, Woods or Clay. One of them sucks. All three was the plan, and that was extremely rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Wel if he doesn't, we have 2 first round picks next year to go grab whoever Beane and company see as a potential franchise QB. This organization is in a great spot right now. Agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 One of them sucks. All three was the plan, and that was extremely rare. Which one? The one no longer a Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) i am somewhat confused...McD saying TT would not be handed the starting job? At his presser, Beane said that it was obvious TT was the starter...i guess i can see now why Pegula wanted 1 person speaking for the organization when McD was hired...Perhaps McD just wants to push the younger guys by making them think they have a chance to start? who knows...guess we will see when the time comes. Edited May 15, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I've said it every few pages but it really blows my mind that anyone thinks this is an open competition in the coaches minds. I'm sure they will go where the play on the field takes them and all but it's got to be about as open as dareus, McCoy, Sammy, or clay losing their jobs in camp. It's one of those "anything is possible" scenarios-- but if a top paid guy with a lot of game filmon the team that coaches chose to bring back and likewise chose not to bring in a viable alternative to switch to loses out in camp... well, i think it would take major injury ala romo or Bledsoe. I don't think this is like Seattle throwing all kinds of possibilities against the wall and Wilson coming out ahead (even as unlikely as that was- this would be exponentially more unlikely) You're right. You have to think back to your high school sports experience, if you have one. I have several. What did the coach do in tryouts? First, he put his presumptive starters on the field or court and ran some plays, then a second group, then a third group. And he watched. Base on his observations, some guys moved up, some guys moved down. Eventually he made cuts. Then it continued in practice. If the presumed starters are doing their jobs well, they keep they're jobs. If a guy isn't doing his job well enough, or if his backup is lighting up, the backup starts getting some reps, and the coach watches. I can't imagine ti will be different for Taylor. It isn't good for the development of players to have a true open competition, sharing reps and all that. It's a new offense, Taylor's the presumed starter, he'll need all the reps he can get. If Yates, Jones or Peterman are really lighting it up through the spring and summer, sure, McDermott should look at the guy as a starter. But on day one, Taylor will be the starter and he'll continue to be the starter unless he can't execute or someone is looking really special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Like my original post said, there were barely any games that TT didn't have Sammy, Woods or Clay. oh boy Sammy.....jones fracture...not right all season....constantly had to come off the field due to pain Woods......groin injury (you choose to believe they are lying) Just because their names appear int he starting line up does not mean they were healthy enough to make difference How is this so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 i am somewhat confused...i haven't read the whole thread because it is 13 pages, but did McD say TT would not be handed the starting job? Because, at his presser, Beane said that it was obvious TT was the starter...i guess i can see now why Pegula wanted 1 person speaking for the organization when McD was hired. You have to listen in context. McD clearly was saying that no one is guaranteed a job and no one is guaranteed a starting slot. You have to earn it. And QB is no different. He also was saying that competition is good and everyone will be competing for his job all the time. But that doesn't mean that there are presumptive starters. When OTAs start, there has to be a first group, second group, third group. And the presumptive starters will be in the first group. Other guys, as they earn it, will work their way into first group reps. If they're good enough, they could take jobs from presumptive starters. So Beane didn't say something that contradicted McDermott. Beane was talking about who would line up at QB until someone took his job. McDermott was saying everyone would compete for jobs. That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Which one? The one no longer a Bill? Having just one of them available at a time sucked, sorry that was poorly worded. To say we had ONE weapon, when the plan was a field full of weapons, says we were at a terrible disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 You have to listen in context. McD clearly was saying that no one is guaranteed a job and no one is guaranteed a starting slot. You have to earn it. And QB is no different. He also was saying that competition is good and everyone will be competing for his job all the time. But that doesn't mean that there are presumptive starters. When OTAs start, there has to be a first group, second group, third group. And the presumptive starters will be in the first group. Other guys, as they earn it, will work their way into first group reps. If they're good enough, they could take jobs from presumptive starters. So Beane didn't say something that contradicted McDermott. Beane was talking about who would line up at QB until someone took his job. McDermott was saying everyone would compete for jobs. That's true. Cool, man. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 oh boy Sammy.....jones fracture...not right all season....constantly had to come off the field due to pain Woods......groin injury (you choose to believe they are lying) Just because their names appear int he starting line up does not mean they were healthy enough to make difference How is this so hard to understand? If they couldn't make a difference, why were they out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 If they couldn't make a difference, why were they out there? Ask the outgoing bills coaching staff? I am thinking that even not at 100 percent they were better then street free agents? That is not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 If they couldn't make a difference, why were they out there? Is this a joke? Watkins didn't play enough in 2016 to be a difference maker. Woods missed time. The WR corp was the worst in the NFL when those two were not on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 So your saying the groin injury did not exist? and you tell me a team that goes down to its 3rd receiver and is successful green bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 green bay Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 hard to accomplish, sure. unrealistic, probably never happened before. Russell Wilson says hello, btw. Wilson didn't beat out the incumbent, there was none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 green bay OK....actually a good answer Lets switch it up....name a team that has been successful not having its top 2 WR's that does NOT have a Top 5 NFL qb. We all know that Tyrod is not that? Chances are none of the drafted qbs were this year....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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