The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) After the trade down yesterday, I think it's clear that Bills management doesn't think it'll happen in 2017. If they'd thought this team was close, they'd have used that #10 overall to find a clear upgrade at an obvious position of need. So what is the target year now? When could the Bills reasonably project as a 9.5 win (or so) team; that is, a team that is expected/is more likely than not to be in the playoffs? Not as in, "we project as a 7-9 team, but if a bunch of bounces go our way we could sneak into the playoffs at 9-7." 2018: they've pretty much signaled that Tyrod is a one year bridge (again) in 2017, and there'll be a new QB in 2018. You wouldn't be stockpiling picks for 2018 expecting to win with rookies right away. Plus you've got some big contracts for aging players in their decline phases still on the books. So ... no. Not yet. 2019? I'd guess that McD (not Whaley) thinks this is when he'll have to start showing results. Start showing results, as in "got out from under some of the bad decisions of the Whaley era, and started showing a new core of players that's ready to take the next step." That brings me to 2020 ... I guess all of that could change if we somehow grab a Garoppolo or Cousins and he turns out to be the QB of our dreams, but that seems unlikely. 2020 it is! EDIT: maybe this has something to do with how long they think Brady will last? The recent moves strike me as going into full rebuild mode but being afraid to admit it. Edited April 28, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Just a few more 3-year plans should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2049. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hopefully before I get planted six feet under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Anyone out there want to argue for 2018? 2019? Come on, convince me that I'm wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 If they move the team to Hamilton we might have a shot at the Grey Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I completely disagree with the sentiment that the Bills concede that they're not a playoff team because of the trade down. No logic to it, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I completely disagree with the sentiment that the Bills concede that they're not a playoff team because of the trade down. No logic to it, at all. Explain please. If you're Whaley/McD and you think you're on the verge of winning now, why do you trade down to add another 1st rounder next year? I guess you could say "because we're so good right now we don't need that #10 overall to put us over the top" ... Edited April 28, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I don't get it either... because they look White instead of Lattimore? So they could bag a haul of picks and still get a starting CB? Edited April 28, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hopefully before I get planted six feet under short term prospects looking okay for you? no gambling reason I'm asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 I don't get it either... because they look White instead of Lattimore? So they could bag a haul of picks and still get a starting CB? So ... the answer to my question is? 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 when we get a qb..plus 1-2 yrs...so if lucky 2019 or 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2017 19-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Explain please. By some accounts I've read, White really isn't that far from Lattimore in talent, and as a 4 year starter is more nfl ready than quite a few guys picked ahead of him. How are we conceding the season by trading down for an immediate starter at a position of need, and adding another likely '17 starter in the process? That's quite a conclusion you arrived at there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I don't get it either... because they look White instead of Lattimore? So they could bag a haul of picks and still get a starting CB?Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Rex set a very good D way back . It will take at least the 2018 draft to recover imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2017 19-0 Parade begins when? Better it has snowed that day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 So ... the answer to my question is? 2019? why does a trade down make any difference on playoff projection - they just took a different CB. If they took Lattimore at 10 they project earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 By some accounts I've read, White really isn't that far from Lattimore in talent, and as a 4 year starter is more nfl ready than quite a few guys picked ahead of him. How are we conceding the season by trading down for an immediate starter at a position of need, and adding another likely '17 starter in the process? That's quite a conclusion you arrived at there. I start from the premise that the Bills obviously need to get better than they were last year to realistically compete this year, and there's really no sane argument that that is going to happen when the draft is all done. I continue with the premise that adding rookie talent in 2018 isn't a recipe for immediate success. And I conclude with the premise that Bills management must, therefore, realistically (even if they can't say it for PR/Pegula reasons) think that 2019 at the earliest is the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I start from the premise that the Bills obviously need to get better than they were last year to realistically compete this year, and there's really no sane argument that that is going to happen when the draft is all done. I continue with the premise that adding rookie talent in 2018 isn't a recipe for immediate success. And I conclude with the premise that Bills management must, therefore, realistically (even if they can't say it for PR/Pegula reasons) think that 2019 at the earliest is the target. Yup and yup. The fun is those who tendentiously and angrily disagree on these boards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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