mjt328 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: Restricting travel from Europe will do that... There aren't exactly a lot of options here. Regardless of how serious the virus is (meaning life/death), the evidence clearly suggests it is highly contagious. So either you restrict travel - which has a disastrous effect on the economy - or you risk allowing the virus to spread quicker and get out of control. Italy did the latter, and they are suffering worse than anyone right now. The U.S. is taking the approach of temporarily restricting travel, which I think is smart. Meanwhile, the Democrats are too busy worrying about being "politically correct" than to use common sense in making these kind of tough decisions. They are out accusing President Trump of being RACIST for restricting travel, but then also accusing him of not doing enough and not taking the outbreak serious. You can't have it both ways. At the end of the day, they seem more concerned about using this to gain points in the upcoming election than actually helping American citizens. People have different political opinions, and that's fine. But if people are going to criticize our president for his actions, then at least suggest what he could/should be doing differently.
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, TPS said: I've been saying that he/they had an opportunity to get out front when they shut down flights with China, but they didn't. They have been reactive not proactive. Someone criticized Cuomo for bringing back SUNY students studying abroad, and fortunately he did that before Italy shut down. That is being proactive. This is completely untrue. Trump has been talking about restricting travel with China and Iran since back in JANUARY. His critics (of course) accused him of being RACIST and trying to distract from the Impeachment hearings. As I mentioned in another post, there is a delicate balance between trying to contain this outbreak and completely crashing the U.S. economy. Are you suggesting that Trump should have called for a total shut-down of international travel a month ago? That would have been proactive, but it also would have been perceived by most people as extremely overblown. 2
Whatnot78 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, TPS said: Where have I ever blamed TRump for the pandemic? This is what happens when people idolize him, they can't rationally evaluate him. I've been saying that he/they had an opportunity to get out front when they shut down flights with China, but they didn't. They have been reactive not proactive. Someone criticized Cuomo for bringing back SUNY students studying abroad, and fortunately he did that before Italy shut down. That is being proactive. Yes, compared to Trump, Pence looks like a leader. where have I idolized Trump? 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 How can their society function like this? Taxes will dry up, no one will earn any money and bills will go unpaid. Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% 3 MIN AGO
Warren Zevon Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Trump has been talking about restricting travel with China and Iran since back in JANUARY. His critics (of course) accused him of being RACIST and trying to distract from the Impeachment hearings. This has been debunked over and over again and is misinformation. The Schumer Tweet was fake. Nobody criticized the decision to restrict travel from China. Stop feeding into the right wing propaganda.
Foxx Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: This has been debunked over and over again and is misinformation. The Schumer Tweet was fake. Nobody criticized the decision to restrict travel from China. Stop feeding into the right wing propaganda. so, just to be clear here... you backed out of the pandemic thread but you are still talking the topic in this thread? just wanting to understand your motivations here. 1 1
RochesterRob Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: How can their society function like this? Taxes will dry up, no one will earn any money and bills will go unpaid. Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% 3 MIN AGO We are suppose to play nurse maid for Italy?
3rdnlng Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How can their society function like this? Taxes will dry up, no one will earn any money and bills will go unpaid. Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% 3 MIN AGO What's the problem? Italy's government is going to cover everything for its populace.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: We are suppose to play nurse maid for Italy? No, i mean if that happens here 24 minutes ago, Foxx said: so, just to be clear here... you backed out of the pandemic thread but you are still talking the topic in this thread? just wanting to understand your motivations here. Why so personal? MARKETS S&P 500 drops 7%, triggering NYSE ‘circuit breaker’ trading halt for 15 minutes
TPS Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What exactly do you think these leaders, specifically President Trump, should be doing? This article goes over some of the issues and things that should have been done.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/u-s-coronavirus-response-was-marked-by-overconfidence-delays?srnd=premium&sref=U5wmynFo Saying things like we only have 15 cases and it will disappear, or the dems and fake news was making it the new hoax, was not leadership. We still aren't even testing a significant number of people, so we still don't know how bad it is. I pray that we don't get to the point where our hospitals are over run like Italy's ....
TPS Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Even the conservative editorial board of the Wall Street Journal recognizes his lack of leadership.... https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-virus-and-leadershipthe-virus-and-leadership-11583960719?mod=hp_opin_pos_1 Quote When President Trump sees a political threat, his instinct is to deny, double down and hit back. That has often been politically effective, but in the case of the novel coronavirus it has undermined his ability to lead. Mr. Trump is right that his opponents, in politics and the media, want to turn the virus into his Hurricane Katrina. That is inevitable and he shouldn’t take their bait. The best defense isn’t to strike back as if the virus is Adam Schiff. It can’t be mocked with a nickname or dismissed with over-optimistic assertions that risk being run over by reality in a week or a month. On Wednesday Mr. Trump punched back at an article in Vanity Fair by tweeting: “Our team is doing a great job with CoronaVirus!” Who cares about Vanity Fair? The best reply is cool and realistic leadership that marshals the strengths of the government a President leads. This means letting the experts speak, not putting himself in the front of every briefing and speculating about things he doesn’t know much about. It means showing personal support, ideally at some point in person, for virus patients and their front-line caregivers.
Foxx Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TPS said: This article goes over some of the issues and things that should have been done.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/u-s-coronavirus-response-was-marked-by-overconfidence-delays?srnd=premium&sref=U5wmynFo Saying things like we only have 15 cases and it will disappear, or the dems and fake news was making it the new hoax, was not leadership. We still aren't even testing a significant number of people, so we still don't know how bad it is. I pray that we don't get to the point where our hospitals are over run like Italy's .... your still defending the press and trashing Trump, while trashing Trump for defending himself against the media's attacks.. sheesh. Edited March 12, 2020 by Foxx 3
Doc Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: There aren't exactly a lot of options here. Regardless of how serious the virus is (meaning life/death), the evidence clearly suggests it is highly contagious. So either you restrict travel - which has a disastrous effect on the economy - or you risk allowing the virus to spread quicker and get out of control. Italy did the latter, and they are suffering worse than anyone right now. The U.S. is taking the approach of temporarily restricting travel, which I think is smart. Meanwhile, the Democrats are too busy worrying about being "politically correct" than to use common sense in making these kind of tough decisions. They are out accusing President Trump of being RACIST for restricting travel, but then also accusing him of not doing enough and not taking the outbreak serious. You can't have it both ways. At the end of the day, they seem more concerned about using this to gain points in the upcoming election than actually helping American citizens. People have different political opinions, and that's fine. But if people are going to criticize our president for his actions, then at least suggest what he could/should be doing differently. He should have done...something different. Like shut down all travel in January. And test everyone even if asymptomatic. And restrict all gatherings. Just we do annually with the flu. 58 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: This has been debunked over and over again and is misinformation. The Schumer Tweet was fake. Nobody criticized the decision to restrict travel from China. Stop feeding into the right wing propaganda. The Schumer tweet might have been fake, but Trump restricting travel from China before anyone else was the best move anyone could have made and that's not even open for debate. Otherwise this would have been so much worse. But enough people from China made it in and spread it unknowingly and unfortunately people from other virus-stricken countries made their way in and also did the same.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: He should have done...something different. Like shut down all travel in January. And test everyone even if asymptomatic. And restrict all gatherings. Just we do annually with the flu. The Schumer tweet might have been fake, but Trump restricting travel from China before anyone else was the best move anyone could have made and that's not even open for debate. Otherwise this would have been so much worse. But enough people from China made it in and spread it unknowingly and unfortunately people from other virus-stricken countries made their way in and also did the same. You don't think Trump claiming it was a hoax hurt the situation?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You don't think Trump claiming it was a hoax hurt the situation? Never happened.
SoCal Deek Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You don't think Trump claiming it was a hoax hurt the situation? He claimed the media politicizing it was a hoax. And it was (is). 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Never happened. Sort of. He has downplayed the severity of it. Said it would probably just go away.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Sort of. Sums up your complete dishonesty and lack of intelligence in one post. Well done. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Sums up your complete dishonesty and lack of intelligence in one post. Well done. He has down played it's severity can't deny that. And that's dangerous. Could of got people killed
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